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  1. #1
    mc
    Feb 2009
    Monte- Carlo
    36

    Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    New to this site, only came across it today. Pictures of a hoard i found in the Pyraneese Mountains near the holy catholic shrine of Lourdes where devout catholics go to take in the water which is supposed to have healing powers. This hoard of over 6000 enamel crosses were under the floorboards of a derelict house that had just been sold. Many of them were still in the original brown paper packaging from the maker.They date from the late victorian era when the shrine was first built and were probably made to sell to visitors, no idea how they came to be under the floor of a house in the hills very near the village. All are gold plated and enamel and are in mint condition, as good as the day they were made. They are in 2 sizes, i assume an adult and a child size ? Today there are modern souvenirs for sale to visitors to Lourdes, these must have been amongst the first to be produced. I still have all of them , still trying to work out the best way to market them. This is a great site, wish i had seen it before !
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  2. #2
    us
    Feb 2009
    west virginia
    whites classic 5 id, and bounty hunter.
    990

    Re: Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    wow wee, nice crosses.
    The world is my hunting ground.

  3. #3
    us
    Professional fine jewelery and precious gemstone retrieval and recovery technician

    Apr 2009
    Seminole, Florida
    Whites DFX fine jewelery extraction device
    590

    Re: Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    Holy Smokes! Now that is a find! What are you going to do with all of them? They are neat!

  4. #4
    us
    Jul 2004
    Shelbyville or any yard where the owner will let me detect!
    ace 250
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    Re: Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    nice finds ...
    stolen and hidden maybe ?
    ALLEN

  5. #5

    Jul 2007
    78

    Re: Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    interesting find but it looks like those packages have plastic tape on them. I don't believe they had tape like that in Victorian times. Maybe 1950's-60's

  6. #6
    us
    Please leave a ring after the beep!

    Sep 2004
    Aiken, SC
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    Re: Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    Cool find.......EBAY!

    HH,
    Moon
    Even the mightiest Oak in the forest is just a little nut that held it's ground!!

  7. #7
    mc
    Feb 2009
    Monte- Carlo
    36

    Re: Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    i havn't worked out what to do with this lot yet, they have been sitting here while i work out the best way to market them. They are too good to waste away so i'm waiting until a use for them comes up. The brown paper packaging isnt sealed with selotape, its a paste that has been brushed on and a strip of material then put over the joints. They are from the victorian era. Anybody with an idea of how best to market them please feel free to get in touch. I'm not keen on ebay these days, since they started to force people to use Paypal i've stopped selling there . Too many problems with that firm, see www.paypalwarning.com or www.paypalsucks.com for typical examples ! Thanks for all the e mails thus far .

  8. #8
    us
    American by Birth ~ Gun Owner by Right ~ Jesus by Choice

    Jan 2007
    Mcallen TX
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    Re: Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    that's an interesting find, very cool, and what a bundle.

    I do have some questions though, because if I had found them I would never relate them to being in the Victorian age. Did you take them to someone to verify the age? I know they had enamel jewelry back then but it had a different type look to it from what I have seen. Also what kind of paper are they wrapped in. Seems it holds up really really well for being so old. Not doubting you, just really curious because like I said had I found them it would never cross my mind that it was that old, sure maybe 1960's or 70's but that would be the farest I would think to date it. Do they have any type makers mark on them? If these are that old I really need to go back and look at some of the stuff that I have found because if this dates back 1837-1901, then I might have some items that are older then what I originally thought and I need to take another look at them.
    Dawn
    MCALLEN, TX

  9. #9
    nl
    Jun 2007
    West Friesland, NL
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    Re: Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    Nice finds for sure, I wonder what you thought when you first saw the packages.
    But I have to agree with some others that they don't look so old....
    West Friesland, Netherlands, www.wf4.nl

  10. #10
    pippinwhitepaws

    Re: Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    i want one...

    by the silk screen type and the paper, clear tape was invented in 1930...maybe they were hidden during WWII.

    http://inventors.about.com/od/sstart...cotch_Tape.htm

  11. #11
    mc
    Feb 2009
    Monte- Carlo
    36

    Re: Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    it isnt clear tape, the packages have been sealed up with a strip of paper that has been stuck on with glue applied with a brush. the glue has dried and reflects like tape but it ISNT SELOTAPE ! these have been looked at by quite a number of people and they are well over 100 years old. the quality and gilding is really top quality. paper will remain almost as new if it is kept in the right conditions , these packages have been under a dry floor with no water/damp or moisture .

  12. #12
    pippinwhitepaws

    Re: Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    oh...that is different...i still want some...
    too bad...i really liked the idea of the priests hiding the loot from the nazi...

  13. #13
    co
    Nov 2008
    Colombia
    Garrett GTI 2500
    30

    Re: Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    Nice crosses-- Looks like you have found yourself a "goldmine" for purposes of marketing... I have a question. You mentioned "...over 6000 enamel crosses... Many of them were still in the original brown paper packaging..." yet the paper packaging in your photos appears undisturbed-- How do you know there are at least six thousand of the crosses? Are you weighing these paper packages without opening them?

    Thanks,

    EF
    EF

  14. #14
    mc
    Feb 2009
    Monte- Carlo
    36

    Re: Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    hello- when they were found @ 50% them were still in the paper, in the photos you can see some of the still sealed up ones. The other packages had been opened and then wrapped up without being sealed again. Each package is the same, inside the brown paper is a layer of waxed paper with a layer of tissue underneath. The crosses are 12 side by side then rolled over and another layer on top. I cant remember exactly but i think there were 144 in each package. All the opened ones were collected up and those packages still sealed have been left as found. There are @ 4500 loose ones and 1700 still wrapped up.

  15. #15

    Jul 2005
    Romeotopia
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    Re: Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    Cool...I'd take one...do you accept PayPal?
    If the elevator tries to bring you down, go crazy, punch a higher floor!

  16. #16
    ca
    Apr 2008
    N.B. Canada
    currently use Sov XS2A Pro,Ace 250,past detectors Garrett 1000 PM,Whites Prizm 2,Fisher 1280X,Tesoro Golden Umax
    623

    Re: Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    that is awesome!! Religious metals are a terrific find,i just love 'em
    To dig or not to dig.....that is the question!!

  17. #17
    us
    Nov 2005
    Ohio
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    Re: Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    Neat finds, now matter how old they are, Congrats!!

    HH<Ringfinder
    ACE 250, Whites XLT, Tesoro Tiger Shark, Depth Pro, Fisher 1235, Fisher F-75, Minelab Explorer II, X-terra 70

  18. #18
    us
    ayuh !

    Oct 2008
    fla la land
    minelab excalibur
    161

    Re: Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    very cool find......i would like a couple of those ....if and when you sell ? please keep me posted.....thankshh
    beach bum ! golf bum ! one way or another i'll be a swingin !

  19. #19
    us
    Mar 2007
    Northwest Missouri
    ACE 250
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    Re: Lourdes enamel cross hoard

    Great find! I would think some of the shops around there would buy them from you in lots to resell to the tourists. If you could determine who produced them originally it would help. Are there any markings on them or the packaging that would give you a clue as to who manufactured them? Good luck and congrats on finding a great cache.

    HH Charlie

 

 

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