May 05, 2012, 11:02 AM
Really amazing find
May 05, 2012 11:02 AM
May 05, 2012, 11:06 AM
One of the medallions has initials on it and date of 1832. I'll try and get a photo posted.
May 05, 2012, 11:30 AM
I've decided to focus on one item at a time and chose this Miraculous Medal. Notice it dosen't have any writing, but rather has decorative cut-outs around the edges. About 99% of similar one's I've seen are all dated 1830, which is when the miraculous event took place. However, according to the one link I posted, it said the first 1,500 medals weren't made and distributed until 1832.
Here's the link again: http://www.wherewewalked.info/feasts...mber/11-27.htm
There are jillions of variations of this medal, but by looking for the one with the cut-outs may be a way to date it.
Last edited by SODABOTTLEBOB; May 05, 2012 at 11:38 AM.
May 05, 2012, 11:33 AM
That coincides with the date on the other medallion.
May 05, 2012, 11:37 AM
I'll get post a picture of the medallion with the date on it shortly.
May 05, 2012, 11:47 AM
Based on what I have been seeing, the 1830 and 1832 dates refer to the event(s) and not necessarily when they were made. There are even brand new one's that have the 1830 date. All of which is quite confusing to say the least. For now I am going to focus on the decorative cut-outs and not the date(s).
One of the key words is ... Filigree ... which refers to what I have been calling the cut-outs. Yours has what I think of as paisley-type filigree.
Last edited by SODABOTTLEBOB; May 05, 2012 at 12:07 PM.
May 05, 2012, 12:36 PM
Ok, still not able to put the picture up yet but will soon. The date and initials look like they are engraved as for as I can remember. I'm not at the house right so I can't post it yet.
May 05, 2012, 12:44 PM
May 05, 2012, 01:03 PM
Thanks for the information, this has had me puzzled for quite awhile.
May 05, 2012, 02:25 PM
May 05, 2012, 02:41 PM
Thanks for the additional pictures. If someone could accurately date even one piece, it "might" date all of it.
May 05, 2012, 03:03 PM
Lastly for the time being ...
Here's a link that explains various aspects of the Miraculous Medal, including the first good reference I've seen regarding the M/Cross
AMM | Story of the Miraculous Medal
“Full of grace” and “Blessed among women” (Luke 1:28)—was proclaimed in 1854.
Last edited by SODABOTTLEBOB; May 05, 2012 at 03:07 PM.
May 05, 2012, 03:20 PM
Thanks for the information.
May 05, 2012, 10:51 PM
There are millions of these medals and they are very tough to date.
I suggested earlier to research when STERLING was first used on silver because I forgot.
You may also research when aluminum became less valuable.
During the Civil War aluminum was more valuable than gold so anything aluminum is at least after that.
Yes 1830 is the event, not the date of the medal.
There were some old Jesuit crosses found in Pensacola posted here to compare if you can find the threads. I think found by Pcolaboy or a similar name.
Last edited by Bigcypresshunter; May 05, 2012 at 10:53 PM.
May 05, 2012, 10:56 PM
Correct the M is definitely not a hallmark. I thought you would see that when I posted the Miraculous Medal link. What I thought might be a hallmark is STERLING and the Sterling stamp is a huge clue to dating this ring.
Originally Posted by SODABOTTLEBOB
Im leaning toward early 20th century on most if not all of these Catholic items.
I have positively dated some of the medals as 20th century but Im not sure yet but some may be a bit older late 1800's (in my opinion).
Last edited by Bigcypresshunter; May 05, 2012 at 11:04 PM.
May 05, 2012, 11:11 PM
I found one of the old threads of an old Jesuit crucifix. Brass Cross Compare to see if any of your crucifixs have a skull and crossbones, ladder or any of the Arma Christi instruments used in Christ's torture and crucifixion.
Last edited by Bigcypresshunter; May 05, 2012 at 11:15 PM.
May 05, 2012, 11:25 PM
That (above)may be a little too old for this find. Check this very informative link on 1800's crucifixes to compare. Rosary Workshop: Rosary - Museum Crucifixes - (Early Latin American)
May 05, 2012, 11:30 PM
Thanks for the information. I'll check it out.
May 13, 2012, 02:52 AM
I would at least have that crown checked out. How do you know the ages of the other stuff? Do they have hallmarks?
May 13, 2012, 06:17 AM
Some of the crosses have Italy on them and a few have Roma.
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