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  1. #16
    Lindenmeier sEEker

    Apr 2006
    El Paso, TX
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    Re: Team Tesoro De Christo / Victorio Peak

    Seventytwo i think ur wrong, actually i may be, but i have a map of new mexico, i believe from the teens, it does have highways on it, one easy to point out is national hwy 13, i may be wrong dont think so tho
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  2. #17
    treasurejack

    Re: Team Tesoro De Christo / Victorio Peak

    "Following portions of Indian trails, the Spanish laid the King's highway in 1632 -- the first land route along Florida's East Coast. In 1768, the British enlarged upon earlier work, cutting a road 30 feet wide through dense foliage. The highway began at the St. Mary's River and went to St. Augustine. Turnbull persuaded the English governor to extend the highway south to New Smyrna."

    This was the first recorded "highway" in North America. "carrrtera"back then.

    The Old Spanish Trail was also sometimes referred to as, "the highway to riches/gold"

  3. #18

    Jan 2007
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    Re: Team Tesoro De Christo / Victorio Peak

    Just over 24 hours to go - looking forward to seeing everyone in El Paso.

  4. #19

    Apr 2005
    Arizona
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    Re: Team Tesoro De Christo / Victorio Peak

    Quote Originally Posted by chong2mry
    Seventytwo i think ur wrong, actually i may be, but i have a map of new mexico, i believe from the teens, it does have highways on it, one easy to point out is national hwy 13, i may be wrong dont think so tho
    You are write, I already new I was wrong though. The Beale Highway was built in 1856. Which later became route 666. I had to do a lot of research of this once.
    But, I lead you astray on purpose?
    Because that is what is happing in the written directions on this map. If it had been translated into English? The Spanish words would have been taken out completely.
    Also the words "Camino Real," Means "HIGHROAD" not "HIGHWAY?"
    Again we are being lead astray by the translator.
    A good example of this type of misleading is the Peralta Stones. They are written half in English and half in Spanish.
    Why?
    Because it adds more confusion?
    I added more confusion in my first post, by just suggesting that there was not a highway at the time.
    This is called misleading your target, and that is what is happing on this map!
    Beware of what sounds to good to be true?
    Because men have strange motaves!
    Seventytwo


  5. #20

    Apr 2005
    Arizona
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    Re: Team Tesoro De Christo / Victorio Peak

    This is out of the Williams Spanish dictionary.
    camino m road, way; (viaje) journey; (tira larga que se pone en mesas o pisos) ( sAm) runner; a medio camino ( entre) halfway (between); camino de on the way to; camino de herradura bridle path; camino de hierro railway;camino de ruedas wagon road; camino de Santiago Way of St. James (Milky Way); camino de sirga towpath; camino de tierra dirt road; camino real highroad; camino trillado beaten path; echar camino adelante to strike out.
    As you can see, highway is not in this translation.
    If this map was translated into English then this mistake would not have been made. Nor. would there be Spanish words still used.
    This map was written as you can now read it. It is in English with Spanish words added to through you off.
    Which means it is a fake treasure map.
    Seventytwo

  6. #21
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    om
    Jan 2006
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    Re: Team Tesoro De Christo / Victorio Peak

    B,

    I'm confused as well!

    I thought I knew as much about the Peralta Stones as anybody, but I'll be damned if I can remember ANY English words anywhere on the Stone maps!

    72,

    Please help me with this one. You state that the Stone Maps (Peralta Stones) are written half in English, and half in Spanish. I can't for the life of me, find a single word engraved in English on either side of any of the four stones!





    Best,

    Mike
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  7. #22
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    Re: Team Tesoro De Christo / Victorio Peak

    Thanks B

    Best,

    Mike
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  8. #23

    Jan 2007
    64

    Update - Team Tesoro De Christo / Victorio Peak

    I am writing to report the results of our meeting on Saturday. The bottom line is that we were very happy with the response, and the event.

    First the response - we had approximately a dozen people in attendance, although there were another dozen who wanted to be there but couldn't make it for one reason or another. We were happy with the turnout, especially given the fact that we had never met any of them before. We were particularly happy that members of the Ova Noss family were in attendance and offered to share their extensive research. Included in the group is an author who is working on what can be expected to be the authoritative account of the treasure, including the government players involved. He is willing to name names when the time comes, so keep your eyes open for his book - it promises to be quite revealing. We also had some current and former WSMR insiders in attendance - very valuable members of the team because of their connections.

    Second, the event. We kicked off our meeting promptly at 1:00. May father in law, Art, welcomed everyone and spoke for about twenty minutes about the origin of the map, his experiences at White Sands Missile Range, and his research on the treasure and the map. After this introduction, I presented a slide show that included the history of the legend surrounding the gold and possible theories as to its origin.

    After a break, we resumed with my alternate real estate investment strategy. Part of the problem with a Treasure Hunting venture is that you normally incur losses in years 1-3. This gives rise to so-called "passive activity loss" rules, and the probable result for most investors is that they would lose the ability to take a deduction for these losses. My plan includes some passive activity (rental real estate) income that would be offset by the losses and would thereby result in no income tax.

    In addition to that passive activity income, there would also be capital gains tax on the increase in value of the real estate investment. Using a two-pronged strategy involving 1031 tax deferred exchanges with 121 tax exempt gain, I detailed a plan which would balance the speculative risk of the treasure hunt and provide tax free income.

    The bottom line is that we had a good discussion and a good time. We had two friends that contributed funds to help offset the cost of the event (thanks Jack and Gregory), and each of them walked away with a piece of original Southwestern artwork that is, in my opinion, worth quite a bit more that the donations we received. We did not solicit investments at this meeting for two reasons. First, we are not con artists. Ironically, there was a Multi-Level-Marketing (MLM) group meeting going on right down the hall from us that day (MLM's are frequently referred to as "pyramid schemes" and are generally considered to be scams by persons in the know). Second, we do not need treasure hunting funds right now, although we do still need donations to cover the costs that we have incurred (the cost of the boardroom, advertisements, etc.).

    We are planning another meeting for May or June, and the first treasure hunting expedition has been tentatively planned for October. Feel free to contact me if you are interested in participating in our group. As always, first come first served.

  9. #24

    Jan 2007
    64

    Re: Team Tesoro De Christo / Victorio Peak

    Just a brief comment on the discussion regarding "Camino Real" in the map. I think it is possible to put way too much effort into issues that are insignificant. We know from the oral history accompanying the map that the reference is to the old Santa Fe Trail.

    There seems to be a lot of consternation over the origin of the map. As I previously explained in another post, (http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...c,63600.0.html), this is NOT the original map. It is a copied version that was typewritten because the original was too frail to survive. Remember, the original letter was written in 1909.

    Further, the translation of the spanish is not guaranteed to be exact; rather it attempts to translate the spanish to the english equivalent of what was intended by the spanish speaking author almost a century ago. One must remember that language changes over time. If you were to have a conversation with someone from 1909, you would find that their accent and phraseology was quite different from yours, even though both of you were speaking English - sort of like the difference betwen UK and US English.

    Additionally, one must remember that the translator is not giving his strict translation of the spanish original, but rather he offers a sort of informed interpretation based on many conversations with the author of the letter.

    Is it a fake? Could be. I don't know whether it is or not. Nobody knows. Anyone who claims to know is simply expressing their opinion (for what it's worth), which is their right.

  10. #25
    us
    Dec 2004
    Georgia
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    Re: Team Tesoro De Christo / Victorio Peak

    Interesting post - I enjoyed the old documents...

  11. #26

    Jan 2007
    64

    Re: Team Tesoro De Christo / Victorio Peak

    Thanks NS - I'm planning to post more of them online as I receive them.

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    Jan 2007
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    Re: Team Tesoro De Christo / Victorio Peak

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  13. #28
    Kas
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    Re: Team Tesoro De Christo / Victorio Peak

    I think it would be fun to go look just for the excitment of the hunt.

    But, if a mining company couldn't find anything, the army couldn't dig it out; what are a handful of guy going to do?

    I'm the friend a friend would like to have.

  14. #29
    treasurejack

    Re: Team Tesoro De Christo / Victorio Peak

    "20 mule loads of....(probably silver)"

    Now I'm not attempting to rain on anyone's adventure, sounds very exciting, but I just did the math allowing 200 pounds of silver per mule. Roughly this would equate to about 4000 pounds, or roughly 64,000 ounces of silver, this figure then multiplied by the current market value of silver, $13.38 = $856,320.00. So just to be safe, let's throw in another few pounds per mule, call it an even $1,000,000.00.

    A) What are the estimated cost involved in this venture?
    B) How many investors/partners are there?
    C) What is the tax liability once you retrieve it?
    E) Legal fees?
    F) Heavy equipment expenses? ect,ect,ect.,

    Given all of this, what might actually remain once the total cost of this venture has been paid?

    I guess what I'm asking is this..."If you find these 20 mule loads of silver, after all of the expenses and such, will the finding of this discovery even pay for total cost of the venture?" Just an honest question? And I really do wish you all the luck in the world. Just curious about the possible financial end of it.

  15. #30
    treasurejack

    Re: Team Tesoro De Christo / Victorio Peak

    Quote Originally Posted by mrs.oroblanco
    TreasureJack,

    That is a good question - and, if they did find it, and it was worth all that, and after all expenses, the partners get nothing - or it even costs a couple of bucks, it could STILL be worth it.

    Sometimes, its just not about the money - its about the adventure, the satisfaction of investigations coming to fruition, a place in history and just a plain "I told you we could do it".

    B
    Don't get me wrong, I've spent my share of money on simple adventure and I wouldn't trade those experiences for anything, been worth every dime. I was just curious to know if they were going after the profit or the adventure, seeings how they were in fact trying to recruit "investors." Is it just 20 loads of silver, or is there possibly more?

 

 
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