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[pippinwhitepaws]

mark twain said," action speaks louder than words, just not as often."

seems we have reached that stage.

not concerned about the patriot act?
flys the national colors in a disrespectful manner.
avoids the issues raised by veterans upset at the disrespectful photo of the national flag.

just another person who never would stand up and serve this nation complaining about how it should be.

this sunrise sure beats a political position anyday.

 

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[packerbacker]

Eu_citzen, of course you would be ashamed to die for a flag, so would I if it were to just die for the flag alone. People don't die for the flag, they die for what that flag stands for. The Swedish flag, supposedly, stands for generosity, vigilance, justice, truth, perseverance and loyalty. Of course that comes from waaaaaaaay back in the 1500's when the flag was concieved. Sweden's capability to remain "neutral" during various conflicts does not come from being a more peaceful people than the rest of the Barbarian world, it comes, basically, from it's physical location in Scandinaia and kissing Nazi butt during WWll. Your country allowed the Nazis to use your nations railway to transport war supplies to Finland and German soldiers on leave between Norway and Germany. So far, you can thank God for the location of your homeland and that your leaders have been able to cower to the proper authority to keep your people out of world conflicts. You cannot be blamed for not understanding why someone would die for their flag, you would have to be able to understand the real meaning of their flag. The Swastika is only flown in this country by deviants, it doesn't fly on our railroads. (Please read quickly as I don't think this post will be here long)

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Lockimee,


I submit - for your approval (ala Twilight Zone) - that you might be unaware of what is happening in front of you, and maybe, just maybe, you might want to look around and become more aware of what is REALLY the truth.

I come to this suggestion, with just a little bit of your own proof - You are speaking to Oroblanco - and Oroblanco didn't post - I did.
Mrs. O.

It would seem that you might want to pay more attention to details.

B

 

[Eu_citzen]

Eu_citzen, of course you would be ashamed to die for a flag, so would I if it were to just die for the flag alone. People don't die for the flag, they die for what that flag stands for. The Swedish flag, supposedly, stands for generosity, vigilance, justice, truth, perseverance and loyalty. Of course that comes from waaaaaaaay back in the 1500's when the flag was concieved. Sweden's capability to remain "neutral" during various conflicts does not come from being a more peaceful people than the rest of the Barbarian world, it comes, basically, from it's physical location in Scandinaia and kissing Nazi butt during WWll. Your country allowed the Nazis to use your nations railway to transport war supplies to Finland and German soldiers on leave between Norway and Germany. So far, you can thank God for the location of your homeland and that your leaders have been able to cower to the proper authority to keep your people out of world conflicts. You cannot be blamed for not understanding why someone would die for their flag, you would have to be able to understand the real meaning of their flag. The Swastika is only flown in this country by deviants, it doesn't fly on our railroads. (Please read quickly as I don't think this post will be here long)

Did you also know Sweden was the only European country except for Germany to do "race" studies on humans?

Hahah yes the location has been good indeed to avoid conflicts.

The Swastika is not used at all here from what I know. A minority might use it but I don't see much of that.

Yes I do not understand the point for "dieing for your country", I for one have survival instinct and would rather take care of my family and loved one's. I don't care for my country even the least, my loved one's survival is more important to me.
Now I know I will sound like a a-hole to some of you.

And you can come with the argument that fighting for your country can save your loved one's sure it can, but I'd rather fight WITH them in MY country if that would be needed to defend them.
I will defend them no question about it but I will do it on my terms not the enemy's.

 

[packerbacker]

Eu.....the only way you would have to fight to protect your family, on your land, is if your enemy gets by us. We have been protecting you and yours for decades. It would be OUR people fighting under OUR flag that would die to protect your family so, you can take comfort, we got you covered, you won't have to do a thing. Just stating the facts here. I'm paying taxes here which go to help pay for our military so I guess I can say "You're welcome".

 

[Eu_citzen]

Eu.....the only way you would have to fight to protect your family, on your land, is if your enemy gets by us. We have been protecting you and yours for decades. It would be OUR people fighting under OUR flag that would die to protect your family so, you can take comfort, we got you covered, you won't have to do a thing. Just stating the facts here. I'm paying taxes here which go to help pay for our military so I guess I can say "You're welcome".

You haven't been protecting us Swedes for decades, thats just what you want to believe.
You didn't protect us during WWII because as you said we kissed nazi [censored] to stay neutral we even sold raw materials to them! (i.e. Iron)

We weren't involved in WWI and in the Napoleon wars only European country's where involved. (though international troops wouldn't surprise me)

The last war the Swedes fought was in the 1800's.

The Terrorists never threatened us to attack us.
Don't mistake the "gang wars" in certain regions of Sweden with terrorists though.

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

Eu_citzen, of course you would be ashamed to die for a flag, so would I if it were to just die for the flag alone. People don't die for the flag, they die for what that flag stands for. The Swedish flag, supposedly, stands for generosity, vigilance, justice, truth, perseverance and loyalty. Of course that comes from waaaaaaaay back in the 1500's when the flag was concieved. Sweden's capability to remain "neutral" during various conflicts does not come from being a more peaceful people than the rest of the Barbarian world, it comes, basically, from it's physical location in Scandinaia and kissing Nazi butt during WWll. Your country allowed the Nazis to use your nations railway to transport war supplies to Finland and German soldiers on leave between Norway and Germany. So far, you can thank God for the location of your homeland and that your leaders have been able to cower to the proper authority to keep your people out of world conflicts. You cannot be blamed for not understanding why someone would die for their flag, you would have to be able to understand the real meaning of their flag. The Swastika is only flown in this country by deviants, it doesn't fly on our railroads. (Please read quickly as I don't think this post will be here long)

there are so many errors to this history that i believe this thread must be comedy central.

"that your leaders have been able to cower to the proper authority "
ever hear of the vikings? vikings don't cower.
did you know that finland is the only nation invaded by the union of the socialist republic to maintain it's independence? here is a hint, they invented molotov cocktails. http://www.winterwar.com/

an upside down flag is disrespect.

 

[rmptr]

Upside down flag is sign of distress.
Half mast is mourning, etc...
Throwing flag on ground and stomping on it, or burning it is sign of disrespect.

Read up on flag law.

 

[packerbacker]

Correct, the upside-down flag is distress and needing help and I agree, if times are that dire then fly it that way. I'm not saying everything is perfect either but I for one am not to the point of "The sky is falling!!!". It's just too dramatic of a statement to be making at this time. It's like the olympic judges line of thinking; you don't want to hand out 10's too early in the competition, what if something much better comes along?
Here's a mini history lesson for some out there that think I'm speaking of the Viking age. Like I said, not since the 1500's. You don't need to study very hard.
"In the early 1960’s U.S. nuclear submarines armed with mid-range nuclear missiles of type Polaris A-1 were deployed outside the Swedish west coast. Range and safety considerations made this a good area from which to launch a retaliatory nuclear strike on Moscow. The submarines had to be very close to the Swedish coast to hit their intended targets though. As a consequence of this, in 1960, the same year that the submarines were first deployed, the U.S. provided Sweden with a military security guarantee. The U.S. promised to provide military force in aid of Sweden in case of Soviet aggression. Knowledge of this guarantee was by the Swedish governments kept from the Swedish public until 1994, when a Swedish research commission found evidence for it.

As part of the military cooperation the U.S. provided much help in the development of the Saab 37 Viggen, as a strong Swedish air force was seen as necessary to keep Soviet anti-submarine aircraft from operating in the missile launch area. In return Swedish scientists at the Royal Institute of Technology made considerable contributions to enhancing the targeting performance of the Polaris missiles"....no need for hand-to-hand combat here.
This will be my last post defending our defense of others. We, as a people and a nation, are used to doing the thankless job of defending others with no recognition. We pay for more than 50% of many countries defense budgets while their people act "neutralisic" and peace-loving.

 

[packerbacker]

PS....The Vikings are now in Minnesota and still hated by some.

 

[Eu_citzen]

Here is wikipedia link for ya, I can't reach the one you presented:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sweden

 

[packerbacker]

Yeah, Eu, I tried linking to it myself after posting what I did and couldn't get it to work. I deleted that link since then. I thought I could just cut and paste the url but I guess not.
The one you posted is the one I was trying to post.

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

comedy central.

Section 8a. "The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property."

since playing on the computer shows the poster is not in distress...

show some respect.

 

[Eu_citzen]

Hey Packerbacker, I can find some stuff to confirm what wikipedia says.
http://www.diva-portal.org/kth/theses/abstract.xsql?dbid=4308
(just an example)

But the agreement was limited to military guarantee and technology exchange so to say.

The guarantee was never forced into "action" but both were ready to stand up if needed.
And lets use logic; because it wasn't forced into action you didn't save us, correct?

Maybe no recognition but in this case you had something to gain just as we did,
you got better Polaris missiles and we got better airplanes.. So I think that would count as a technological exchange.

Good Hunting!
Eu

 

[lockieme]

mrs o
I have read both of your posts and have been looking around and am greatly concerned at what I see. You suggest checking details or something like that , I am not sure what you mean because your posts are lacking in detail. regards

 

[lockieme]

I am somewhat puzzled by the reaction of some of these veterans and comrades in arms who feel that displaying old glory in a position that declares distress is disrespectful. I happen to be a veteran (Korean "police action") and took the same oath to defend our Constitution from enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC as they did.
The Supreme Court has ruled ( under the First Amendment) that flying the flag inverted was a form of
communication and did not damage the flag. To me disrespectful is the desecration of Old Glory by stomping on, burning, urinating on and worse, that the anti-american crowds like to do. THAT is disrespectful and I would happily beat the crap out of them one and all in defense of Old Glory and our Constitution.
One thing we should have learned in the military is to "cover your rear and flanks" and I feel that we are being flanked heavily from the left and flying the flag inverted is an appropriate warning of concern.
Someone said , as I recall, that maybe we are just running around crying "the sky is falling" ; but as americans, we all know that if the sky is falling we usually don't act until we get hit in the head from a large chunk - Pearl Harbor - 9-11 - .......?. God Bless and protect our flag, our constitution and this greatest of countries.

 

[packerbacker]

lock, I totally agree with you to a point. I'm the guy that brought up the "sky is falling" statement. Our country isn't in the best of situations, we never have been but, we are not in dire straights; that's all I'm saying. When our US Navy ships responded to the attack on Pearl Harbor, all of the flags on those ships were flying right-side-up, same with 9-11. When we can't handle the threat is when we need to be distressed and, personally, I don't think we are at that point. Fly it any way you want but allow me the liberty of stating why mine isn't upside down.

 

[DANGLANGLEY]

Trez spent his hard earned money and time to erect that flagpole and it was there before the election. I do think he is a proud American that loves this country and displayed that pride by erecting that flagpole in the first place. I also like that Gadsden flag displayed with it. I don't see it as disrespectful to fly it upside down but it does sadden me to see an American do it. I have changed my avatar back and forth between two different pics since the election and I think I will keep this one until I can feel better about the direction in which this country is headed. You can cry "racist" if you want but the Socialist direction that our country is headed in has me very concerned. Also, all of the unanswered questions about Obama and those friends of his is not a good sign. I would not fly my flag upside down but I can see his distress and that is the best way he knows of to show it. I have recovered or reset many flags/flagpoles over the years that were touching the ground or lying on the side of the road during holidays. I will not pass one up that is touching the ground.

DANGLANGLEY

DANGLANGLEY

 

[lockieme]

packerbacker. young man I respect your rights as do you mine. I think I have said everything I can on the subject and will move on to looking at spanish cobs and shipwrecks and looking forward to the pictures of that great old U.S. of A. tractor that you are restoring, it looks like you sure know what you are doing.

P.S. Pearl Harbor and 9-11 were attacks from foreign enemies, it is the domestic ones I fear.
sorry just had to sneak that one in - sometimes I just can't shut up - must be the geezer in me.

 

[rmptr]

Oh Goody!

Looks like we just about got us another newbie hooked into Tnet un-politics!

I'm a Citizen by birth, and have been asked to prove it for any number of job positions.
Therefore. I feel entitled to fly the flag of the United States as I see fit.

Distress, imminent danger, great peril?
Well, I'll leave that call for you to make.

Control over the US Treasury was most recently handed to a man named Henry Paulson.
He acts without any control, and is responsible to no one.
In violation of law, he has taken a staggering amount of money from each of us, our children, and our unborn grandchildren, and given it to people who have gambled and lost.
Most of them were greedy, and many were dishonest.
There now appears to be no end to the amount of money he shall be given.

I would propose there has been a bloodless coup in the district of crooks and criminals.

And yes, our country is under attack, is in dire straits, and the sky is falling.
There is no more pie in the sky and we'll be lucky if this degenerates only to socialism.
I see it as being closer to fascism than anything else.

Yes, it makes me sad to see someone flying their flag in a position of distress.
I must consider how badly the pride in their once great land has been hurt so they would do such a thing.
Others just sip the koolaide...

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