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    Extreme case of brown recluse spiders drives owners from Weldon Spring home

    Extreme case of brown recluse spiders drives owners from Weldon Spring home : News

    By Susan Weich sweich@post-dispatch.com

    WELDON SPRING • A home with prime views of the third and fourth holes at Whitmoor Country Club has been vacant for two years because of a creepy crawly problem.

    The home was infested with between 4,500 and 6,000 brown recluse spiders, according to one estimate.

    The previous homeowners abandoned the 2,400-square-foot atrium ranch after years of pesticide treatments couldn’t curb the invasion.

    The home went into foreclosure and hasn’t sold, apparently because no one wanted to live with its history.

    Blue-and-orange striped tarps covered the house this week as an exterminator blasted the spiders and eggs with 200 pounds of sulfuryl fluoride gas, pumped in at 67 degrees below zero.

    The spider problem started in October 2007, shortly after Brian and Susan Trost bought the home at 84 Gillette Field Close, according to testimony at a civil trial. The Trosts had bought purchased the home, built in 1988, for $450,000.

    Susan Trost testified she was walking through her new home, exploring it on her first day there, when she noticed a large, stringy web wrapped around one of the light fixtures.

    It hadn’t been there on the walk-through date.

    Neither had the webs in the bar area in the basement. In the kitchen, she tugged on a piece of loose wallpaper, and a spider skittered behind it.

    She thought the home probably just needed a thorough cleaning, so she got to work.

    In the following days, she saw spiders and their webs every day. They were in the mini blinds, the air registers, the pantry ceiling, the fireplace. Their exoskeletons were falling from the can lights. Once when she was showering, she dodged a spider as it fell from the ceiling and washed down the drain.

    A month after living in the home, her 4-year-old son screamed frantically from the basement, and Trost saw a spider, about the size of a half dollar, inches from his foot.

    Instead of smashing it, Trost trapped it in a plastic bag and looked it up on the Internet. It was a brown recluse.

    Trost testified she contacted a pest control company that came in on a weekly basis, spraying the interior and exterior and setting down sticky traps.

    Since brown recluse spiders often live behind walls, she hired someone to come in and remove drywall so the exterminator could spray behind it.

    She hired another company to remove the insulation from the attic and put down a pesticide powder.

    “After the attic treatment, it seemed to help for quite a while, although we were still capturing them,” she testifiedd. “It just was a decline; they weren’t gone.”

    CLAIMS DENIED

    In 2008, the Trosts filed a claim with their insurance company, State Farm, and a civil lawsuit against the home’s previous owners, Tina and David Gault, for allegedly not disclosing the brown recluse and other problems with the home.

    At a jury trial in St. Charles County in October 2011, Jamel Sandidge, a biology professor at the University of Kansas, described the brown recluse problem at the Trost home as “immense,” between 4,500 and 6,000 spiders.

    Most troubling was the fact, Sandidge testified, that those calculations were made in the wintertime, when the spiders are least active.

    Jurors found in the Trosts’ favor and awarded them $472,110, but they have never collected.

    The Gaults had their defense provided by their insurers, also State Farm. But when the verdict was entered, State Farm claimed the Gaults’ policy had no coverage and refused to pay, according to the Trosts’ attorney, Thomas J. Magee.

    Scott Harper, attorney for State Farm, could not be reached for comment.

    State Farm filed an appeal of the judgment, but it was withdrawn in April 2013. The Gaults filed for bankruptcy about the same time. They could not be reached for comment.

    The Trosts have since filed another lawsuit, this one against State Farm for failing to pay the claims they initially filed regarding the spider damage.

    The couple declined to be interviewed for the story.

    Magee said State Farm claims the policy doesn’t cover spiders. However, Magee said the exclusion is for insects, and courts in other states have held that spiders are not insects.

    In addition, State Farm is claiming that even though the house has thousands of spiders, that does not amount to “physical damage,” he said.

    After the trial, when the spiders got worse, and State Farm refused to make any payment of any kind, the Trosts felt they had no choice but to move out, Magee said.

    Today the home at 84 Gillette Field Close is owned by the Federal National Mortgage Association.

    A spokesman for Fannie Mae said having an exterminator treat a home is standard procedure before putting it up for sale. Tim McCarthy, president of McCarthy Pest Control, said he was contacted by the agency to take care of the brown recluse spiders.

    SPIDER FEAR

    Missouri is home to more than 300 kinds of spiders, but according to experts, only two are potentially harmful — the brown recluse and the black widow. Both can inflict bites that can cause severe pain and infection.

    Deaths from black widow bites are extremely rare, and are even less likely from brown recluse bites.

    But that doesn’t stop people from being fearful.

    “A lot of the fear is overdone,” said Matt Ormsby, naturalist with the Missouri Department of Conservation. “Sure, you need to respect the spider, but a brown recluse doesn’t have the bite pressure to make it through our skin, and they are not aggressive.”

    The spider must be pressed against a person to be able to pierce the skin and get any venom in, he said.

    Since brown recluses like to hide in places where humans don’t go frequently, like storage boxes kept in the basement, people can get bit if they put on clothes or shoes they’ve been storing.

    “The best way to prevent getting bitten is to shake out your stuff and just frequent cleaning of the house,” Ormsby said.

    Dr. Alok Sengupta, chair of emergency medicine at Mercy Hospital St. Louis, said the hospital treats spider bites every year, and people are always concerned about whether it came from a brown recluse.

    Even if it did, Sengupta said the amount of venom injected is so small, people don’t usually have any complications. Severe reactions are rare.

    Ormsby said a lot of spiders are misidentified as brown recluses. The spider has a distinctive violin-shaped patch on the back of its head, where the legs are attached.

    “Missouri has a couple of other species of spiders that also have a violin on their back, but it’s facing a different direction,” Ormsby said. “On the brown recluse, the main part of the violin is where the head is, and the neck of the violin goes towards the back.”

    TENTING TREATMENT

    For the past two years, McCarthy has been using tenting and fumigating — a method popularized in the South for eradicating termite infestations — to handle brown recluses, beetles, bed bugs and other pesky problems.

    The treatment costs between $5,000 and $30,000, depending on the size of the home. They’ve used the technique about 20 times and say it has had excellent results.

    “We create a very hostile environment temporarily inside the home to kill the desired target,” said Bob Richardson, staff entomologist with McCarthy.

    Spiders are not good subjects to kill with pesticides, Richardson said, because of their body makeup.

    “You almost have to contact them with it to get the best results because they do have collagen on the tips of their feet, and they don’t absorb pesticides that you lay down.”

    This week, workers used nine tarps — 15,000 square feet — to cover the home at Whitmoor. They rolled edges of the tarps together and attached them with heavy duty clamps.

    They filled the home with sulfuryl fluoride gas that permeated the walls to kill not only the spiders, but their eggs.

    “There’ll be nothing alive in there after this,” Tim McCarthy said.

    The tent attracted the attention of neighbor Greg Shockley, who said he has never seen a brown recluse in his home.

    James Carrel, professor emeritus of biological sciences at the University of Missouri, said he is not aware of any study ever done about the prevalence of brown recluses in Missouri homes.

    “But my experience is that most buildings or houses that are over 40 years old have brown recluses in them — particularly upstairs if there’s a second story or in the attic – and new houses that are only 10 to 20 years old may not have them at all,” he said.

    Carrel said improved construction methods don’t allow for many cracks and crevices for the brown recluses to hide in during the daytime.

    Other than that, it’s a mystery why the spiders inhabit some homes and not others. Picking a fairly new, upscale home as a place to reproduce is “just weird,” he said.

    “I don’t know what to make of it,” he said.
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    That's quite a story.
    Hope I don't end up buying a house in Pennsylvania that has a spider population.
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    Thanks for sharing your experience.
    Well, I hate spiders. Last month I saw a big spider running around my home, I had checked out all the gaps and cracks in my home. But there was a bit of crack I found out near my kitchen area. I had called up the New York City pest control service, where the NYC pest control professional had sprayed pesticide and also suggested to seal all the cracks. It is very much important to have your house sprayed by a professional exterminator once a year will help you to control common household insects such as spiders, centipedes, ants or bed bugs.
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    Pesticides are not good for people, pets or the environment either! If people would just simply plant peppermint plants around their homes they wouldn't have that problem. If they are already inside then setting out peppermint oil in containers with wicking in them will solve that too. It's safe, natural, environmentally friendly and if these pests haven't acclimated to them yet; they aren't going to. They do acclimate to pesticides which is also a problem as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Piratess View Post
    Pesticides are not good for people, pets or the environment either! If people would just simply plant peppermint plants around their homes they wouldn't have that problem. If they are already inside then setting out peppermint oil in containers with wicking in them will solve that too. It's safe, natural, environmentally friendly and if these pests haven't acclimated to them yet; they aren't going to. They do acclimate to pesticides which is also a problem as well.
    And howz bout acclimation to "peppermint" ?

    :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by AARC View Post
    And howz bout acclimation to "peppermint" ?

    :P
    Peppermint doesn't kill them therefore their survival doesn't cause them to acclimate to it. They simply hate it and will avoid it like the plague!

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    Why do I suspect a major nest of those critturs in the ground below the house? A few years ago, here in Mexico, we had an ant problem. They were eating all the leaves off our trees, even invading our house. A cousin looked it over, and found in a neighbor's land a major ant bed, which they call hormiguero. They have a colony which can be 50 feet or more wide, underground and will destroy the whole neighborhood.

    He got some horrid chemicals, frantically dug down into the center of the mess, poured in the horrible chemicals, and frantically covered it up, then ran for his life. No more ants.

    He said it will be several years before they come again.

    The weak link in my theory is there seems to be no evidence that the spiders make underground colonies.
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    I hate spiders. Any spider found indoors is immediately terminated,
    but I've generally left the ones outside alone. Not particularly afraid
    of 'em....just an instinctive, natural hatred I guess.

    We used to have quite a population (outside) of Large Indoor spiders,
    which apparently came to the region hiding some type of imported goods
    from Asia. Carpenter ants were everywhere during the warmer months.

    Prefer to use a natural insecticide, so in return for a few cups of dry
    dog food a day my racoon buddies take care of any outdoor bugs. They'll
    walk down the front sidewalk and pick-off every single carpenter ant they
    see. If they'd had a pile of 'em they'd eat 'em like popcorn. Any spider that's
    within three feet of the ground hasn't got a chance. Haven't seen a slug around
    the place for a couple years now.

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    I was born after his passing, but my grandmother's father was bitten on the back of his hand by a spider (don't know which type, but Brown Recluses are abundant around here). When I lived with Granny and went outside, Granny always said "Watch out for the spiders". So, I grew up with severe arachnophobia. Maybe that black bear haunting my house will find them all and eat them!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeepseekerADS View Post
    I was born after his passing, but my grandmother's father was bitten on the back of his hand by a spider (don't know which type, but Brown Recluses are abundant around here). When I lived with Granny and went outside, Granny always said "Watch out for the spiders". So, I grew up with severe arachnophobia. Maybe that black bear haunting my house will find them all and eat them!!!
    If you don't keep chickens, get yourself a bag of dog food and
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    Quote Originally Posted by DizzyDigger View Post
    If you don't keep chickens, get yourself a bag of dog food and
    find a couple 'coons to hang around the place. Better yet, forget
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    HA! Benji the black bear will eat the chickens!
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    I received a bite on the side of my lower leg, just at the sock line. The next day it was red was really inflamed, so I went to the Dr after work. He said if got any worse go to the Emergency dept.
    Well the red line was running up the other side of the leg by the end of the next day. I called the local hospital that was up the road as they had all my medical history on file, and they said it was a 4+hr wait to get through the line.
    So I grabbed the paper and a bag of skittles and off to the emergency.
    Got to there did the screening admit, was told to go to the large waiting area. I sat down and no more than 2 minutes later I was called, instructed to go to a room #. A Dr. came right in looked and left, then another, then another, then all 4 came in had a quick chat up-yup it's not the flesh eating disease-just a Brown Recluse spider bite.

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    Weldon spring is maybe 1/2 hr from my home. My mother's maiden name is weldon and they all grew up around the area.
    Rode thru weldon springs yesterday goofing around.
    Started reading the post and I thought I know this story. 2007 I think is when this started.
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