for Tmodel

[huntress104]

Tmodel, here are the pictures you asked to see on the stone I found. Tell me what you think.

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[The Grim Reaper]

Very cool. I believe it's an Effigy of some kind. What it represents is open to discussion, but I'd say something aquatic like a Fish or a Salamander.

Awesome and very rare piece huntress. Just a terrific find.

[huntress104]

Very cool. I believe it's an Effigy of some kind. What it represents is open to discussion, but I'd say something aquatic like a Fish or a Salamander.

Awesome and very rare piece huntress. Just a terrific find.

Thanks SRV. I was thinking along those same lines as a fish or maybe even a whale (because of the shape). Maybe the lines along the side represents gills? I am definitely open for suggestions.

[ohioaxeman]

The little grooves (tally marks) are found on many different artifacts, to which i have no clue why. They may apply to number of kills or clicks for windage etc. The long gouge looks to me like the banding in the slate is wearing/eroding away! I have seen plummets with the mouth look on them too, but purposely put there. This does not look intentional! Is the long gouge on both sides of the same end? Its a very nice artifact that i wish was mine!

[tmodel]

Huntriss!! need two more photos and wet the weight first to make the bands clear. one photo of each side like first or second photo in this post. Axeman!! had a good thought. we need more of the best on Tnet to respond,, no one is not wanted because i do not know for sure who is on that list. Terry

[huntress104]

Huntriss!! need two more photos and wet the weight first to make the bands clear. one photo of each side like first or second photo in this post. Axeman!! had a good thought. we need more of the best on Tnet to respond,, no one is not wanted because i do not know for sure who is on that list. Terry

Terry,
Here are the photos you wanted. I agree with Ohioaxeman, it does look like eroding lines on the piece. I tried to get nice clear photos under good light.

[joshuaream]

You've probably posted it elsewhere, but is it possible to see the entire piece (flat shot, not at an angle.)

It looks like a large grooved bar weight. I've seen lots of them with tally marks along one or two edges. A lot of slate made it down to Kentucky in the Archaic times from Canada, Indiana, Ohio and New York.

There were two or three bar weights found at a bog site in Quebec, Canada with the atlatls still intact, and they were bound inline to atlatl lower on the handle. (Not up high and across the handle like a regular bannerstone.)

The tally marks might have represented something specific, might have helped in fastening the piece to the handle, or might have been purely decorational. Another theory on tally marks that I like is that little grooves and engravings would hold red ochre rubbed on the surface, and it made for a contrast.

The "mouth" does look like it is erroding out of a natural band, but the Archaic groups frequently used natural bands/swirls to show eyes, why not a mouth?

Very nice piece.

[ohioaxeman]

Like Joshuaream says, we need more pics of this! It kinda doesnt look asymetrical all the way around, which may give reasons for the tally marks! Or the tallies could be for grip! I can look at this piece all day and still wonder about its function and uses! I would need to hold it in my hand to satisfy my curiosities, but then i would not want to give it back! LOL... Super Awesome artifact there Huntress!

[tmodel]

Huntress!! i can not ague with any one that has responded they all have a good point!!! this is why i was so vague on Bo s!! post when asking for more posts did not wont to get your hopes to high! Terry

[huntress104]

You've probably posted it elsewhere, but is it possible to see the entire piece (flat shot, not at an angle.)

It looks like a large grooved bar weight. I've seen lots of them with tally marks along one or two edges. A lot of slate made it down to Kentucky in the Archaic times from Canada, Indiana, Ohio and New York.

There were two or three bar weights found at a bog site in Quebec, Canada with the atlatls still intact, and they were bound inline to atlatl lower on the handle. (Not up high and across the handle like a regular bannerstone.)

The tally marks might have represented something specific, might have helped in fastening the piece to the handle, or might have been purely decorational. Another theory on tally marks that I like is that little grooves and engravings would hold red ochre rubbed on the surface, and it made for a contrast.

The "mouth" does look like it is erroding out of a natural band, but the Archaic groups frequently used natural bands/swirls to show eyes, why not a mouth?

Very nice piece.

I have posted the pictures you asked for below. thanks for looking.

[ohioaxeman]

You definately have an excellent and very beautiful piece of ancient art there Huntress! The reason we want more pictures is because we cant hold it. LOL... My point is if i found it i would be checking it out every 5 minutes of each day, and I'm sure most here would say the same thing!