Post By catherine1
Apr 24, 2012, 07:41 PM
Some Dig Finds
Found these rocks digging Sunday. A celt, scraper, pottery, and discoidal section. Also another small pot looking thing.
Apr 24, 2012 07:41 PM
Apr 24, 2012, 10:32 PM
Those are some really nice finds. Looks like that arrow base was reworked into a little scraper? I like that little bowl is cool. They could have mixed ochre with a little deer fat in that and used it as a paint.
Apr 24, 2012, 10:34 PM
Apr 25, 2012, 09:28 PM
Yes, nice finds Catherine1. I think re-worked stuff is always special. It probably was a pretty good point for a while, it's still a real good scraper.
Originally Posted by old digger
digger it's interesting that you mentioned "ochre", I found a small hunk of it a few days ago.
Apr 26, 2012, 06:08 AM
nice pieces catherine
to old digger and twitko, the scraper is called a hafted scraper and is not a re-worked or salvaged point
it was made that way from the beginning so it could be hafted to a handle
i have about a half dozen or so of them but have only found one on a mandan site,
i think grim reaper probably has a bunch of them, if i can find one of his pictures i will post it for purpose of comparison, i don't think he will mind, he is a good friend
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Apr 26, 2012, 06:32 AM
that paint bowl is cool
what is 'red ochre'??
Apr 26, 2012, 08:52 AM
Lars!! would you please reply on this post where you got your information on halfted scrappers, you are the first one [[[ i have seen]]] to post this information? Terry
Apr 26, 2012, 10:54 AM
i studied it in an artifact book
i also have several that a friend in ohio named 'pickaway' sent me
i thought that they were re-worked points a few years ago until i learned they were made that way
in the image i posted there are over a hundred in that frame alone
the examples i have are all unifacially flaked like a thumb scraper which supports the idea of them never being a point
Apr 26, 2012, 11:44 AM
i am hoping that grim reaper will chime in and give a little info on this subject
those hafted scrapers are extremely rare in the dakotas but seem common in ohio
i don't know where pickaway went but he would be another person that could give some info on this subject
if catherine1 could post an image of the back side of that nice example she just found i am thinking we would see the back side of the leading edge is not flaked
only the hafted portion is bifacially flaked
pickaway sent me a few about a year ago. if i can locate them i could post them on another thread
i hope catherine1 doesn't mind our posts since this is her thread
i like the one she found, it is a picture perfect example of this tool and made from nice material
Apr 26, 2012, 12:46 PM
i can't see how the majority of "hafted end scrapers" could be made that way specifically. In the frame pictured above I can see several point types from the bases. And I don't know how many times i read in books or reports describing them as exhausted points. Your right we find these scrapers pretty often around here. And your also right about them being specifically fashioned as hafted end scrapers but to say they were specifically made that way doesn't seem right to me. Although I could see how more evidence or study of the flaking patterns etc could put a typology if you will one way or another as to it being an exhausted point or not. Also I believe some cultures made them specifically as hafted end scrapers moreso than did other cultures. either way its an interesting topic for study.
Apr 26, 2012, 12:50 PM
heres a picture of my last hafted end scraper find. the 2 on bottom are just brokes.
Aug 31, 2012, 08:40 PM
Hey you guys,,I`m bumping(?) this because I want to read more info on this unifacial scraper subject. I have only found the bifacial scrapers, brokes that were re worked. I like scrapers,,re-worked and purposeful. I`m not disagreeing w/anyone,,I dont know enough about the subject. I just want to learn more.
Aug 31, 2012, 10:38 PM
When a point was not able to be re-sharpened or broke and had a nice base they would knapp off the end like the one Catherine is showing. Turned a knife into a scraper. Long time ago we called them blunts we were wrong and before that we threw them away.
Start a new post as Catherine does not like people talking unless it is about her finds on her post.Am sure we can probably post hundreds of uni and bi scrapers from paleo and up. I am sure that there probably is an old post that uniface did.
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