Peck on Cumberland Points

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http://csasi.org/2003_fall_journal/cumberland_fluted_points_from_kentucky_and_tennessee.htm

 

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[Th3rty7]

The holy grail imo, too bad those guys didn't make it over the Allegheny mountains. Good read, he didn't go into the Pa. Jasper examples, wonder why?

 

[pickaway]

Nice read, theres supposedly a cumberland site down the rd. from me, so the rumor goes the landowners wont let anybody hunt ,but ive hit fields around it to no avail.if rumor is true id be interested to see the material they used up this way...

 

[Tnmountains]

You would think that someday in my lifetime being where I am that point will fall to one of my hunts.

 

[joshuaream]

The holy grail imo, too bad those guys didn't make it over the Allegheny mountains. Good read, he didn't go into the Pa. Jasper examples, wonder why?

From my understanding, the Northumberland point is part of the Crowfield family, they kind of look like Cumberlands (and the name sounds like North Cumberland) but they a lot thinner and probably significantly later.

 

[GL]

Those are very attractive points.

 

[Cappy Z.]

Do you guys ever buy points etc and from what website? Can you provide a link?

Thanks

 

[uniface]

Hi, Josh

Is the Northumberland Point one of Gary Fogelman's types ? He's named several, and Northumberland County in Pennsylvania has produced quite a few Paleo points and tools. (?) Thanks

 

[joshuaream]

I'm not sure if Gary named the type, but he sure has a pretty frame with several in it. I know Noel Justice referenced the point several years back, as have some of the archaeologists at the university in London, Ontario near the type site (Chris Ellis is his name, but I can't remember the name of the school.)

Beautiful points. The snapped one found near the cremation pit in Ontario would rank up there with any fluted point ever found imho. (Paper thin, fluted to the tip with really deep/heavy mass flake scars.)

I'll dig up a photo of it when I get back to the states.

 

[Th3rty7]

The holy grail imo, too bad those guys didn't make it over the Allegheny mountains. Good read, he didn't go into the Pa. Jasper examples, wonder why?

From my understanding, the Northumberland point is part of the Crowfield family, they kind of look like Cumberlands (and the name sounds like North Cumberland) but they a lot thinner and probably significantly later.

I was actually referring to the Cumberland Barnes types found in Pa., not Northumberland.

 

[joshuaream]

Sorry, bad assumption on my part. That's a darn fine question.

I didn't think Barnes/Parkhill Complex got over that far east/south (I thought Michigan, the NE corner of Indiana, the NW part of Ohio and Ontario were the documented range.) The ones I've seen from the type site material from Michigan and a couple from Indiana were thinner and more squat than Cumberlands, but they might line up better in age as they are pre-Crowfield/Northumberland as are Cumberlands. That said, I'd lean towards Cumberlands being older than Barnes, probably lining up with Gaineys as the right-after-Clovis point types that emerged.

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I was actually referring to the Cumberland Barnes types found in Pa., not Northumberland.

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[oldgoat]

Do you guys ever buy points etc and from what website? Can you provide a link?

Thanks

Cappy, send me an addy and I will send you a couple...

 

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For what it's worth (Slippery Rock is in Western Penna., and Delaware Valley is the Eastern Penna./New Jersey border) :

Table 18: Styles in Sites for the Northeast

GROUP Ia: Gainey/Bull Brook
A.C. site, Arc, Boothbay, Bull Brook, Bull Brook II, Champlain strays, Cornell U Campus, Dam, DEDIC/Sugarloaf, Delaware Valley strays, Emanon Pond, Hiscock, Ide (RI), Kilmer, King's Road, Long Island strays, Manchester/Massabesic, Martha's Vineyard, Mitchell Farm, Ossipee, Paisley Farm, Point Sebago, Poirier, Port Mobil and Cutting, Potts, Saugus Quarry, Seneca River: Baldwinsville, Shawnee-Minisink, Slippery Rock, Thornton's Ferry, Trojan, Twin Fields?, VT-CH-197, Wapanucket 8, West Athens Hill, Whipple, Windy City, Zierdt

GROUP Ib: Shoop
Bull Brook?, Shoop, King's Road, Honey Brook

GROUP II: Debert/Vail
Adkins, Vail, Lamb, Plenge, Martha's Vineyard, Morss, New Jersey coastal plain, Point Sebago; Sebago Lake, Bull Brook, Whipple, Spiller Farm, Tonawanda Creek, W. Penn.

GROUP IIIa: Barnes/Parkhill/Neponset style
Champlain strays, Cornell U Campus, Delaware Valley strays, Devil's Nose, Esopus/Kingston cluster, Lamoreau, Martha's Vineyard, Michaud, Neponset, Plenge, Port Mobil, Potts, Slippery Rock, Spiller Farm?, Templeton, Wapanucket 8, West Athens Hill, Windy City, 28-OC-100, Seneca River sites: Baldwinsville, Cross Lake, Haiti Island,Van Buren; Oneida River and Lake sites: Caughdenoy Creek, Oneida Lake outlet, Muskrat Bay

GROUP IIIb: Cumberland (mainly west and south)
DQC #1; Western Penn.

GROUP IV: Crowfield
Janet Cormier, Plenge, Port Mobil, Reagen, Trull Brook

GROUP V: Holcombe/Nicholas/Turkey Swamp
Allen's Meadows, Esker, Janet Cormier, Kilmer, Nicholas, Reagen, Piping Rock, Port Mobil, Turkey Swamp, VT-CH-230, VT-CH-197?

GROUP VI: Lanceolate (at least two distinct styles recognizable, but not named)
Blackman Stream, Esker, Hidden Creek, Lamoreau?, Logan, Lynch cache (Yarmouth), Thorne, Varney Farm, Weirs Beach, Basin Island, Black Hawk Is., East Branch, Grand Lake Thoroughfare, Graveyard Point, Leighton, Moose River, Pittston Farm, West Grand.

Early Archaic
HARDAWAY-DALTON
Logan, NJ; Robbins Swamp, MA; Staten Island, NY
KIRK CORNER NOTCHED
36ME105, Central Builders, West Creek, West Water Street, PA; Russ?
PALMER CORNER NOTCHED
Riverside, MA; Lewis-Walpole, CT; Muddy Brook Rockshelter, Putnam Cty., NY

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