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  1. #1
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    Buffalo teeth, mandibles, skulls

    I thought I'd post some photos that may be of interest to some, as there were some thoughts expressed in response to trevmma's recent “old buffalo tooth” post. These finds were made over the past several weeks by my daughter's partner. He has been kayaking the Heart River near Mandan ND and searching areas of “new” bank erosion. The flow through the Heart River has been, and continues to be, extremely high this year. As a results of this, more and more of this stuff is being exposed as levels drop. Our friend larson1951 called me and suggested that I post some of these. trevmma, I doubt whether you can tell from these if yours is a buffalo tooth or not but there are some here.

    What we've been told is that the “big” pieces are Bison antiquus," which were common 10,000-20,000 years ago and were part of the "megafauna" of the Ice Age. Paleo-Indians are believed to have hunted them. They were about 15 to 25 percent larger than modern bison and became extinct at the end of the Ice Age, while Bison occidentalis lived on a bit longer. Bison occidentalis, perhaps with some contributions by Bison antiquus, is thought to have evolved into today's modern buffalo.
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  2. #2
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    Re: Buffalo teeth, mandibles, skulls

    That is some Awesome finds thanks for sharing!

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    Re: Buffalo teeth, mandibles, skulls

    Awesome finds!

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    Re: Buffalo teeth, mandibles, skulls

    Quote Originally Posted by T Witko
    trevmma, I doubt whether you can tell from these if yours is a buffalo tooth or not but there are some here.
    Great finds by the kayaker Witko!

    Yes there are some bison teeth in the pictures and then there are some that aren't.
    The first pic of a lower mandible is not a bison mandible.

    11KBP

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    Re: Buffalo teeth, mandibles, skulls

    Nice pieces TWit. I understand the scapula (shoulder bone) was a particularly useful piece for digging, hoeing, etc. Good photos.

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    Re: Buffalo teeth, mandibles, skulls

    thanks 11KBP, I agree that it isn't bison. This mandible was one of a wide variety old bones that are being exposed. Any idea what it might have been.



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    yes 11KBP, it is not a bison, it is a horse mandible
    it articulates from the maxilla (upper jaw) as one piece
    i thought no horses were there that long ago but it might have got mixed in with older bones somehow
    below is a picture of one with more teeth and different spacing of the front teeth

    docman, yes the scapulas were used for garden and digging tools like shovels and hoes
    when this was done the two ribs were removed from the back side of the shoulder blade and subsequently handles were fastened to them either one way for a hoe or a different way to make a shovel
    one can tell the age of such a tool by examining how the two ribs were removed
    the older ones were removed w/a stone knife, the later ones show that they were removed w/a metal blade
    it is not hard to tell if a person can see both kinds
    also the bottom 5 or six inches was cut off and polished and sharpened and turned into a four sided squash knife to cut squash into thin slices so it could be dried and stored for winter use
    squash, corn, great northern beans and tobacco was grown in their huge gardens, they had a lot of food to eat and also trade with others for commodities
    i hope this info helps
    larson1951
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    Native Pride -}}}}}------------------------> -}}}}}----------------------> -}}}}}---------------------> God Bless you Kelly May your steps be gentle and your eyes be sharp Your flipping stick true and the finds will mark Another season among your friends Preserving Mandan storys from the wind TnMountains

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    Re: Buffalo teeth, mandibles, skulls

    thanks docmann and yes, as larson1951's comment, shoulder blades like these were made into tools.

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    Re: Buffalo teeth, mandibles, skulls

    Nice find's on the bison skulls, I have always wished that I could find a bison skull but the ground around here doesn't preserve bone very well.

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    Re: Buffalo teeth, mandibles, skulls

    those are awesome, ive got a question some of the experts might be able to answer. how do you tell if the skull is from an extinct species or just a modern buffalo. i found one a few years ago in a creek and was wondering. one of the horn cores is damaged a little it would have measured around 29 inches from tip to tip.

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    Re: Buffalo teeth, mandibles, skulls

    I think it is very interesting the types of tool's they made from bone. I enjoy studying them how they were shaped and made.

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    Re: Buffalo teeth, mandibles, skulls

    11kbp
    the dakotas had this species
    it was prolific in that part of the states
    Native Pride -}}}}}------------------------> -}}}}}----------------------> -}}}}}---------------------> God Bless you Kelly May your steps be gentle and your eyes be sharp Your flipping stick true and the finds will mark Another season among your friends Preserving Mandan storys from the wind TnMountains

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    Re: Buffalo teeth, mandibles, skulls

    hey 11kbp and larson , i resurrected an old post for a pic. (see stone tools post) i just measured from tip to tip and it is 25 1l2 inches and with the horn core damage i think it would go over 30. sorry to keep bugging about this but it sounds like you guys know what your talking about and it would be cool to know more.(sorry for all the extra pics but i lost my pics of it.)

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    Re: Buffalo teeth, mandibles, skulls

    I was hoping to maybe help identify and give some examples of how to tell the species of a buffalo skull with these photos. The skulls in the (Sk3.jpg) photos were found yesterday by kayaker (see starting comments). I researched a little about species from different time periods and order of the species. There is a lot of information such as this: From Wikipedia
    Bison antiquus, sometimes called the ancient bison, was the most common large herbivore of the North American continent for over ten thousand years, and is a direct ancestor of the living American bison.
    During the Pleistocene Ice Age, steppe wisent (Bison priscus), migrated from Siberia into Alaska. This species then developed into the long-horned bison (Bison latifrons) which lived in North America for 3 million years. About 22,000 years ago, the long-horned bison slowly died out making way for Bison antiquus. B. antiquus were abundant from 18,000 ya until about 10,000 ya, when they became extinct, along with most of the Pleistocene megafauna. B. antiquus is the most commonly recovered herbivore from the La Brea tar pits.
    B. antiquus was taller, had larger bones and horns and was 15-25% larger overall than modern bison. From tip to tip, the horns of B. antiquus measured approximately 3 feet (nearly one meter).
    And there’s also some good information about latifron at this website:
    https://www.dmr.nd.gov/ndfossil/education/pdf/bison.pdf

    I cannot, however seem to be able to find anything that actually describes specific differences. We’ve been told by state historical people that photo (Anc1.jpg) is Bison antiques but to me it doesn’t look like the photo of the from Wikipedia (Bison antiq.jpg).

    I tried to show the differences in the skulls that kayaker has been finding. Can someone indentify these? I’m thinking “ancient1” skull is much older than the others because it’s beginning to petrify and the others are not. All I know for sure about this stuff is that it’s old and very cool. It’s an absolute privilege to be able to see it up close (kayaker is also a neighbor of mine). He found something very unusual yesterday, something that we’ll again need help indentifying. I’ll post more of his finds if there’s interest.
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    Re: Buffalo teeth, mandibles, skulls

    A few more photos.
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