Jan 10, 2013, 01:05 PM
Last edited by hmmm; Jan 10, 2013 at 01:07 PM.
Jan 10, 2013 01:05 PM
Jan 10, 2013, 01:16 PM
Go ahead and believe you have Native American body armor. If you don't want to use logic I'm done with this conversation. Me stating that I am from the Treasure Coast is me trying to tell you there are thousands of shipwrecks just minutes from my house up and down the East Coast of Florida. I have seen what you have there many many times. If you would rather picture a Native American Running around in copper sheeting More power to you. You would do very little laughing If you actually did some shipwreck research. You obviously have little understanding. Furthermore... one of the first things shipwreck survivors did was salvage as much as they could from the wreck including wood and metal objects that could be used to build a shelter and headed in away from the shoreline. Shipwreck items have been found a very long way from the wreck site. I'm also willing to bet the shoreline has changed quite a bit from the time of that wreck.
Last edited by GatorBoy; Jan 10, 2013 at 01:21 PM.
Jan 10, 2013, 01:21 PM
you clearly have ship son the brain, so this works for me.
Originally Posted by GatorBoy
Jan 10, 2013, 02:25 PM
Just like the sheathing.
Originally Posted by hmmm
Jan 10, 2013, 02:39 PM
Jan 10, 2013, 03:01 PM
In defense of HMMM....I know the type of beaches and terrain he is talking about. His beaches are not sandy but rocky and the trees come right down to the edge of the beach. 100 feet back, where HMMM is also means steep slope and 30 foot vertical embankments. These islands don't get tidal surges they way the Gulf does. These are smaller steeper islands than Florida and storms break around them not over them.
like I said before....woven cedar....ships spike hand pounded into a blade....and coveted ships copper sheathing hidden for later. You might be into a burial site too as it sounds like your island may not have been a village site. Is this a Cowichan...Kwakiutl....Gwa'sala?...do you know the tribal affiliation?...that could help.
Jan 10, 2013, 05:58 PM
Here are items from the wreck of the SS Atlantic recovered from the island of Saint Paul. in Nova Scotia. the SS Atlantic was an old ship when she went down in 1873. Take a close look at the cross re covered with these items. It matches yours to a T. Yours also happens to have the stone...which is rose cut amethyst... a Hallmark of the 19th century.
Last edited by GatorBoy; Jan 13, 2013 at 12:00 PM.
Jan 10, 2013, 06:02 PM
Jan 10, 2013, 06:26 PM
Glad I could help. Like you said at the opening of this thread...." possibly connected to a seafaring people"
Jan 10, 2013, 07:00 PM
I live on the east coast and recently found some pictures of the beaches near my house taken in 1913. There are areas in these photos where there is literally 100 ft. of land now that wasn't there 100 years ago. I almost couldn't believe it, but the photos don't lie. I showed them to a guy I know who has property near where they were taken and he told me he's been gaining about 1' of land per year since he's owned it.
Originally Posted by hmmm
Growing up here, in a fishing/shipping community I have seen plenty of pieces of copper exactly like yours sitting in peoples houses or in old fishing shacks. I have a friend who is a shipwreck hunter and he has pieces exactly like yours.
One last thing, when I was a kid, I had a 13 foot scalloping skiff with a small Johnson outboard on it. Hurricane Gloria, which was a fairly minor hurricane, hit and my boat ended up about 40 feet into the brush on the side of the pond where I kept it. This wasn't even on the ocean but in a sheltered cove on a pond. My dad had to get a couple friends and use rollers to get it back in the water. I have no doubt that a serious storm could move just about anything 100ft.
It's still a very cool find but I have to agree that it's from a ship.
Jan 13, 2013, 12:03 PM
Just read this whole thread again. Its pretty amusing. Then it gets pretty informative .... just can't figure why he was not happy to have found some really cool shipwreck items.
Jan 13, 2013, 01:25 PM
I collect Artifacts and Vintage Collectibles and Rocks.
Mother nature can do some amazing things when there is a storm.
Personal finds were on private property which I have permission to hunt.
Jan 13, 2013, 05:23 PM
gaterdude, i thought you where done with this thread, since you know so much about the copper sheathing on ships , tell why would they have woven cedar bark covering the copper. it just seams odd to me.
Originally Posted by GatorBoy
This bark is woven and attached to the copper, they are part of the same arifact and Coincidentally , it is the same style of bark weaving that the fn used to make cloths.
I guess there is no way this guy, would think to punch in holes in his copper breast plate and weave the bark around it, it would be more, as Spock would say, its only logical to just hold the copper breast plate in front of him.
woven cedar bark is not what the white man used to cover the cooper sheathing used on ships,
but then you clearly are the expert of ships and fn artifacts made form copper and cedar bark , so who am i to argue.
i Will say , I am in the process of having a expert identifying it.
Any one know how i get rid of the thumbnail.
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Jan 13, 2013, 05:36 PM
Careful not to get arrested
Jan 13, 2013, 09:45 PM
Originally Posted by hmmm
I'm a new guy, and quite interested in your discovery. There seems to have been some interruptions
in the discussion. I should say that I saw this thread, and made a mental note, "Nah!" before even reading through. You know how you do... at least, apparently, I do.
I'd love to see more photos, please. Without shadows, and competing photo real estate, if you could.
What's the current state of the woven bark?
I'd really like to hear, and see more on the Badge Guy finds, as well. How many badges were involved? Were they confiscated and renationalized, or what? Were they found in a similar locale? What were the copper looking pieces with Badge Guy all about?
I'm assuming we're talking about Salishan First Nations folk here. I got more specific tribal wonderings. but will leave that for later.
I was still pretty skeptical, when I met Badge Guy. You swung me nearly 180 with the photo in Post #34. Dim bulbs were going off around here. Where have I seen that guy before?
The object he is holding is described as a "copper shield." I don't know the year of Curtis' photograph, he lived up your way, for a time.
"In battle the men wore red cedar armour and helmets, along with breech clouts made from cedar."
A "shield," eh? "Body armour," makes me wonder, how you think this piece may have been worn? If you're indicating, by that first photo, a vest-like construction, I'd like to know how it might fit on a small person from clavicle down? What are it's dimensions?
Do you know about the Legend of the Spanish Mound?
Jan 13, 2013, 11:07 PM
the copper "shield" that you are showing in the Curtis photo is not a shield in the sense of warfare or protection...it is an opulent display of wealth, but not like money as it would never have been used to purchase anything. Many of these coppers had names and were given away in a Potlatch.
Jan 13, 2013, 11:21 PM
Jan 14, 2013, 12:15 AM
what year (about) would those nails be?
Jan 14, 2013, 12:39 AM
Early 1700's for the round ones late 1700's to early 1800's for the square. I don't see any holes in the "shield" in the photo.
Jan 14, 2013, 02:17 AM
Looking closely at the holes... probably more like this...tacks..1800's
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