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Hunters used stone-tipped spears 200,000 years earlier than previously thought :icon_study:


A University of Toronto-led team of anthropologists has found evidence that human ancestors used stone-tipped weapons for hunting animals 500,000 years ago — 200,000 years earlier than previously thought.

"This changes the way we think about early human adaptations and capacities before the origin of our own species," says Jayne Wilkins, a PhD candidate in the department of anthropology at the University of Toronto and lead author of a new study in Science magazine.

"Although both Neanderthals and humans used stone-tipped spears, this is the first evidence that the technology originated prior to or near the divergence of these two species."

Attaching stone points to spears — known as "hafting" — was an important advance in hunting weaponry for early humans, says Wilkins. Hafted tools require more effort and foreplanning to manufacture, but a sharp stone point on the end of a spear can increase its killing power.

Hafted spear tips are common in Stone Age archaeological sites beginning about 300,000 years ago. This new study shows that they were also used in the early Middle Pleistocene, a period associated with the Homo heidelbergensis species, who were the last common ancestor of Neanderthals and modern humans.

"It explains why we share some traits with the Neanderthals, we share a common ancestor," said Wilkins in an interview that airs on Quirks & Quarks on Saturday.

"This common ancestor was an effective hunter who made hafted spears. It also tells us that our history as effective hunters and our adaptation as effective hunters is deep-rooted and has a long story. The traits that make us human, essentially, have been accumulating over a very long time."

Wilkins and her colleagues from Arizona State University and the University of Cape Town examined 500,000-year-old stone points from the South African archaeological site of Kathu Pan 1 and determined that they had functioned as spear tips.

Point function was determined by comparing wear on the ancient points to damage inflicted on modern experimental points used to spear a springbok carcass target with a calibrated crossbow. The stone points exhibit certain types of breaks that occur more commonly when they are used as tip spears, compared to other uses.

"The archaeological points have damage that is very similar to replica spear points used in our spearing experiment," Wilkins says. "This type of damage is not easily created through other processes."

The points were recovered during the early 1980s during excavations by Peter Beaumont of the McGregor Museum in South Africa. :icon_thumleft:
 

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Good read and thanks for posting it. I think it's plausible that tools were hafted that long ago but I can't agree with the experimental archaeology used to draw the conclusion. I mean....a calibrated crossbow? Calibrated to what standard? Furthermore, we assume that we've recreated all of the processes that early man would have put his tools through. Hafting makes sense for many reasons...one of which is never discussed or written about....keeping a safe distance from the target. One must think that it was either have a meal or be a meal.

I guess the whole point of the study is an attempt to prove that early man was much more advanced at 500,000 thousand years ago than we've previously given him credit for....I can easily buy into that assumption.
 

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1320 I like your contraption in the last pic. As for calibrating a crossbow, out of my league. As for a regular bow, can't one line the arrow on a drawn bow with the corner of their mouth, for an accurate shot? It only seems logical to me that projectiles were used throughout earlier ages than we anticipate. Look at the size of the hunted compared to today's animals. Just my thoughts. Thanks for the link.
 

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So, ''if'' man has been around for 2 million years, what did they use the first 1.5 million years? I guess ''man'' must have been evolving a brain.

Also, I would suggest that Goliath's last ''thought'', after David hit him with the small round stone was, "Man, that never entered my mind before''!
 

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Tell me more about that awesome contraption shown. I shoot tourny archery and build pumpkin cannons in my spare time, so what you have really interested me.
Ya, the article was interesting as well, but until I know the source???? Ever see that State Farm commercial with the french model???
 

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So, ''if'' man has been around for 2 million years, what did they use the first 1.5 million years? I guess ''man'' must have been evolving a brain.

Also, I would suggest that Goliath's last ''thought'', after David hit him with the small round stone was, "Man, that never entered my mind before''!

Nice analogy digger. I have pondered this before. As you said evolution of brain is the only thing that could possibly have put us on the top of the food chain. Size surely didn't. I'm really afraid that over evolution will take our position on the food chain.
 

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Nice analogy digger. I have pondered this before. As you said evolution of brain is the only thing that could possibly have put us on the top of the food chain. Size surely didn't. I'm really afraid that over evolution will take our position on the food chain.


But seriously folks, I think that man has regressed, not progressed. Look at all the impressive structures that have been built, including the scientific accomplishments that were mastered without so-called modern equiptment.
Also, look at the workmanship of some of the artifacts. I may be wrong, but can we replicate the workmanship that they did back then?
 

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But seriously folks, I think that man has regressed, not progressed. Look at all the impressive structures that have been built, including the scientific accomplishments that were mastered without so-called modern equiptment.
Also, look at the workmanship of some of the artifacts. I may be wrong, but can we replicate the workmanship that they did back then?

Digger, we are on the same page. Humans have taken two steps back for every one step ahead. Look at the Aborigine and their simple life. They have still got their togetherness and instinct to survive. On the other hand, us, the developed. How developed are we? For the most part, we work our hardest at finding ways to not work. We have "simplified" life to the point that it's hard to live. My cousin is only 6 years younger than I am. He went on a trip recently, and needed directions. He called me and ask if I could give him directions to Danville KY, and if he could use my navigation device. At his arrival, I handed him a map of KY and an atlas. I was shocked to know that any one over the age of 16 couldn't read a map. That made me think of all the lost technology and things that I do not know, that would have made me the laughing stock in past years. I didn't have to go back many years either. I can't sew, plow behind a mule or milk a cow. Things my parents and grandparent can do. So, if my life depended on these things, I would be a brittle boned naked man, in a garden with "s" shaped rows. Every generation, I figure, loses some sort of basic survival skill. Just think how much has been lost since man lined structures with the moon, as a means of telling time. It's scary to think about.
 

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The contraption is the actual crossbow used in the Kathu Pan experiments. Has a compound bow look to it if you ask me.....lol.

Is that like a vise for setting your sights? If you invented that, I must hand that to you. Innovation at its best.
 

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Digger, we are on the same page. Humans have taken two steps back for every one step ahead. Look at the Aborigine and their simple life. They have still got their togetherness and instinct to survive. On the other hand, us, the developed. How developed are we? For the most part, we work our hardest at finding ways to not work. We have "simplified" life to the point that it's hard to live. My cousin is only 6 years younger than I am. He went on a trip recently, and needed directions. He called me and ask if I could give him directions to Danville KY, and if he could use my navigation device. At his arrival, I handed him a map of KY and an atlas. I was shocked to know that any one over the age of 16 couldn't read a map. That made me think of all the lost technology and things that I do not know, that would have made me the laughing stock in past years. I didn't have to go back many years either. I can't sew, plow behind a mule or milk a cow. Things my parents and grandparent can do. So, if my life depended on these things, I would be a brittle boned naked man, in a garden with "s" shaped rows. Every generation, I figure, loses some sort of basic survival skill. Just think how much has been lost since man lined structures with the moon, as a means of telling time. It's scary to think about.
Good point, I personally think that we have only began to "scratch the surface" of understanding the technologies that were here and lost before us. I believe that not only were there a race of very large Humanoids, but a culture of highly intelligent people also were present with understandings of forces and sciences that was kept as a highly guarded secret. Only a chosen few were probably in-trusted with the knowledge and they may have taken it with them to the tomb. The Mayan's understanding of time and distance was better than our own until not too long ago, for one instance. We may never fully understand the Pyramids true function and how they were actually constructed. When a society develops to the point that it must depend on disposable goods to sustain it's population. It's time for them to take a hard look at controlling their numbers. I believe that our society has surpassed it's greatest point. We are now in the declining stages of our own existence and unable to control it. Not a "Doomsday" prediction, this is an observation! 8-)
 

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It's odd that the article doesn't mention the group responsible for stone tools 500,000 years ago in South Africa. It was Homo erectus. Homo erectus is believed to have spread out of Africa even earlier than that.
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It's odd that the article doesn't mention the group responsible for stone tools 500,000 years ago in South Africa. It was Homo erectus. Homo erectus is believed to have spread out of Africa even earlier than that.
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Harry!! Did you take my picture out of the introduction sticky? Lol! I have heard old folks say a smart person's eyes are further apart than a dense or less intelligent person. I'm pretty sure that's just an old wise tale. If any truth is in that, homo Erectus is an intelligent being. I'm not making that eye thing up, for laughs either. I have heard many elders claim this.
 

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It's odd that the article doesn't mention the group responsible for stone tools 500,000 years ago in South Africa. It was Homo erectus. Homo erectus is believed to have spread out of Africa even earlier than that.
Holocene Epoch, Subatlantic Neolithic.....:icon_scratch:
 

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Holocene Epoch, Subatlantic Neolithic.....:icon_scratch:

I'm pretty sure Keith is not even a native of our planet. Lol! What ever he is, he's a cool one, nonetheless. Big fan!!
 

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It's odd that the article doesn't mention the group responsible for stone tools 500,000 years ago in South Africa. It was Homo erectus. Homo erectus is believed to have spread out of Africa even earlier than that.
Seems many things are questioned so often anymore because of recent discoveries, everyone is "holding their breath". :angel3:
 

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I apologize if this has been said already.. I admit I didn't read this entire thread. I recently watched a special on Nova that documented a large study that used actual recovered DNA to conclude that we all have neanderthal DNA.. up to 3% in people of Asian decent being the most..with people of African decent having the least. They concluded that from interbreeding (that was possible because of the makeup of the DNA) that the species was bred out within modern man's population because of dominant genes.
 

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