Welcome guest, is this your first visit?
Member
Discoveries
 
Results 1 to 19 of 19
  1. #1
    us
    Feb 2010
    Richmond VA
    1,513
    419 times

    Rock experts - Need help on lithic identification

    I'm working on finding spots to hunt around Richmond VA and was talking to a guy today who agreed to hook me up with some people he knows who have land to hunt. Anyways, he doesn't look for them but has found 2 over the years. One of them was a point that looked like a small Stanly but the material looked like translucent obsidian with irregular light banding. I only just met the guy today so I don't know anything, really, about him, but he seemed credible to me. My question is this - is it possible that there's a local source that could explain this? I've only ever seen one quartz crystal point in person (thanks NCFieldhunter) and I didn't really study the flaking or material closely. Could this have been a smokey quartz piece? I don't think pictures will help, it looks just like obsidian in the picture.

    Bottom line I'm trying to make good with the guy and I told him I'd try to figure out anything I can about the material. I'd hate to come back with "it's obsidian, clearly not from VA". Any thoughts or possibilities at all are appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Joe

  2. # ADS
    Ads

    TreasureNet.com is the premier Treasure Hunting Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see these ads. Please Register - It's Free!

  3. #2
    us
    Jul 2012
    382
    145 times
    Trimble Knob in VA is a now extinct volcano and I know there was some obsidian around so I guess it's possible...think I remembered hearing about places in TN and NC that had some but I can't be sure...also, living in Richmond, have you ever looked around Bell Island? I know a guy who found an axe there a few months ago and has found spear points in the past...I can draw up a diagram of where he said the stuff was if you'd like, just let me know...
    Sorry I kinda veered off the path there...
    HH, good luck

  4. #3
    us
    Aug 2009
    Blue ridge mts, Virginia
    876
    247 times
    The smell of Nitro in the morning
    An archy that works for the state of V.A. told me that obsidian can be found in V.A. and P.A. I have a pic of a smokey quartz Yadkin if you would like to compare. Good luck finding some new hunting grounds. GTK96 had some good advise regarding Bell Island, I have heard of some nice artifacts coming from that area. H.H.

  5. #4

    May 2012
    10,813
    3275 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Rayholite is a volcanic product. Its all over that area. No reason why obsidian wouldn't be

  6. #5
    us
    Aug 2009
    Blue ridge mts, Virginia
    876
    247 times
    The smell of Nitro in the morning
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorBoy View Post
    Rayholite is a volcanic product. Its all over that area. No reason why obsidian wouldn't be


    Not always the case. I think it depends on the type of eruption, the minerals present and how it cools. Rhyolite can be found all over the east coast, but obsidian only in a few locations.

  7. #6

    May 2012
    10,813
    3275 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Just saying the possibility for the right circumstances existed.
    And I'm sure obsidian was highly regarded and traded for long distances.

  8. #7
    us
    Jul 2012
    382
    145 times
    Yeah it all depended on how fast it cooled...i think alot of times obsidian formed when the lava contacted water, but I understand what you meant gator

  9. #8
    us
    Feb 2010
    Richmond VA
    1,513
    419 times
    Quote Originally Posted by GTK96 View Post
    Trimble Knob in VA is a now extinct volcano and I know there was some obsidian around so I guess it's possible...think I remembered hearing about places in TN and NC that had some but I can't be sure...also, living in Richmond, have you ever looked around Bell Island? I know a guy who found an axe there a few months ago and has found spear points in the past...I can draw up a diagram of where he said the stuff was if you'd like, just let me know...
    Sorry I kinda veered off the path there...
    HH, good luck
    GTK - Thanks for the offer, I'd appreciate it - I'll take any help I can get! I actually spend a lot of time on Belle Island with my family doing various things. Could make the trips even funner!

  10. #9
    us
    Feb 2010
    Richmond VA
    1,513
    419 times
    Quote Originally Posted by theviking View Post
    An archy that works for the state of V.A. told me that obsidian can be found in V.A. and P.A. I have a pic of a smokey quartz Yadkin if you would like to compare. Good luck finding some new hunting grounds. GTK96 had some good advise regarding Bell Island, I have heard of some nice artifacts coming from that area. H.H.
    TheViking - I'd love to see it. Right now for me it's either odsidian or crystal smokey quartz, and I don't have any smokey quartz examples to compare against. Thanks for the help.

  11. #10
    us
    Aug 2009
    Blue ridge mts, Virginia
    876
    247 times
    The smell of Nitro in the morning
    Hey Twitch, sounds like you are describing obsidian. Not sure I have ever seen banded smokey quartz, but just because I haven't seen it does not mean it doesn't exist. Here is the quartz Yadkin, found by a good friends grandfather across the river from me. He also found the fluted quartzite piece in the same field, just thought I would throw that in for giggles. Good luck.
    Last edited by theviking; Mar 18, 2013 at 04:07 PM.

  12. #11

    May 2012
    10,813
    3275 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    It also sounds like agatized wood with the banding you described. A photo would help.

  13. #12
    us
    Jan 2009
    --------->
    3,315
    205 times
    Although raw obsidian does exist in Va. ( the only eastern state with a dormant volcano to my knowledge ) the only recorded artifacts made of the material were thought to be traded in. Most likely from an Adena culture network from further west. The Potts site in New Kent Co. contained some woodland artifacts made of obsidian. There are materials scattered throughout the state that can be somewhat similar in appearance and texture including the aforementioned smoky quartz. Dark colored chalcedony and translucent high grade black cherts can also look like obsidian to some degree. Translucent Knox chert from eastern Tn. is similar as well. Some locals call it Cinch River obsidian. A really pure translucent piece of Knox can look like obsidian. Just some suggestions, if you can get a picture of the material I can probably be more specific.


    Here's some Va. smoky quartz and some local high grade black cherts.

    As far as finding some hunting spots in that area of the state I'd suggest getting to be friendly with some farmers who still plow their fields along the James.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	phpOkbP3ePM.jpg 
Views:	34 
Size:	112.1 KB 
ID:	761569   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	phptom10PPM.jpg 
Views:	32 
Size:	100.8 KB 
ID:	761570   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	phpdBRPJpPM.jpg 
Views:	35 
Size:	72.8 KB 
ID:	761571   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	php6P4z0yPM.jpg 
Views:	33 
Size:	79.7 KB 
ID:	761572   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	php7CApDbPM.jpg 
Views:	37 
Size:	91.8 KB 
ID:	761573  

    Last edited by Th3rty7; Mar 18, 2013 at 04:19 PM.
    " Stay frosty, gents "

    www.arrowheadtalk.com

  14. #13

    Jul 2012
    3,845
    1305 times
    Joe, if you need some pics of obsidian points found in VA. Let me know. All of the obsidian finds near us that I know of are paleo or transitional. Hardaway/dalton is the latest I have personally seen. If you have a pic of the piece in question, text me a pic of it. It's a long shot, but I may be of some service. Good luck on finding new grounds. Also, look at local petrified wood samples.
    Their were so many fewer questions when stars were still just the holes to heaven

  15. #14
    us
    I collect Artifacts and Vintage Collectibles and Rocks.

    Aug 2012
    South
    Coin Finder
    7,759
    2671 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    I have seen what you are talking about and I do believe it is P wood. On Ancient Native American Indian Arrowheads, Indian Artifacts and other ancient Indian relics - Home Page they have some posted under gem quality points. It looks clear but with black lines running through it. Or even Agate.
    Last edited by rock; Mar 18, 2013 at 07:15 PM.
    Personal finds were on private property which I have permission to hunt.

  16. #15

    May 2012
    10,813
    3275 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    They come in different shades of many colors..some show more banding than others. Here is a couple.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	ForumRunner_20130318_202521.png 
Views:	27 
Size:	324.4 KB 
ID:	761720



    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	ForumRunner_20130318_202640.png 
Views:	27 
Size:	302.9 KB 
ID:	761725

  17. #16
    us
    Feb 2010
    Richmond VA
    1,513
    419 times
    I appreciate all the help. It's definitely not petrified wood. Based on the pictures Thirty7 has posted I can also say with some certainty that it's not smokey quartz. I have some exceptionally crappy pictures on my phone that I can post, but based on all of the feedback ruling out any other logical local source I'm fairly certain it's obsidian. Next time I meet the guy I'll bring an actual camera and get some good pictures.

    Thanks for the help everyone.

  18. #17
    us
    I collect Artifacts and Vintage Collectibles and Rocks.

    Aug 2012
    South
    Coin Finder
    7,759
    2671 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    That site I posted has all types of rock types on it even banned obsidian just like you described.
    Personal finds were on private property which I have permission to hunt.

  19. #18

    Jul 2012
    3,845
    1305 times
    Quote Originally Posted by rock View Post
    That site I posted has all types of rock types on it even banned obsidian just like you described.
    I have a piece of obsidian that I'm pretty sure is a core. Found in VA. A few months back. I'll look for the formula so that a density test can be ran on the guy's artifact. That is the only sure answer. I had a friend of mine run the test for me, I'm dodo with numbers. Here is the piece. I'll gladly mail it to you Joe, if it'll help you.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	image-1296282525.jpg 
Views:	25 
Size:	405.3 KB 
ID:	761929



    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	image-1296282525.jpg 
Views:	25 
Size:	405.3 KB 
ID:	761929



    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	image-2473192921.jpg 
Views:	20 
Size:	378.1 KB 
ID:	761930
    Their were so many fewer questions when stars were still just the holes to heaven

  20. #19

    Jul 2012
    3,845
    1305 times
    http://www.lcusd.org/lchs/jwalters/density_drill.html

    I hope this link will open. If the guy cares enough about the lithic in which his artifact is made of, he can run one of the three formulas to get the density of it. This is pretty much a simple and fail safe method. The piece I posted above was tested by a geology class just a few days back. I allowed a friend of mine to take quite a few samples in for his students to play with. He brought the pieces back last Friday, with this one labeled obsidian. I haven't ran the test for myself. I always thought this one was slag, however, it was found in an unlikely spot for slag. I'm not sure i trust every label given to me by the class. If they are correct on all of the minerals that I loaned them, I'm the owner of a huge silver nugget!!! Lol!
    Their were so many fewer questions when stars were still just the holes to heaven

 

 

Home | Forum | Active Topics | What's New

Sponsors

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. Bullet Identification experts?
    By Marko0916 in forum What Is It?
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: Feb 26, 2013, 10:20 PM
  2. Replies: 20
    Last Post: Feb 05, 2013, 05:26 PM
  3. Help with HOT rock identification
    By weaselguys in forum Metal Detecting For Gold
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: Sep 16, 2012, 01:21 PM
  4. Help with Rock Identification
    By javaman in forum Rocks/Gems
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: Sep 20, 2006, 11:22 PM
  5. Relic/Lithic Hunting near kankakee river state park and Starved Rock Illinois
    By Lithic Hunter in forum North American Indian Artifacts
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: May 28, 2006, 12:47 PM

Search tags for this page

expert in rock identifacation
,
gold at trimble knob volcano
,
illinois lithic identification guide
,
lithic point identification
,
lithic rock illinois
,
metal rock identification -band
,
rock identification experts in tennessee
,
rock identification experts live chat
,
rock identification forum
,

rocks experts

Click on a term to search for related topics.
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v4.1.3