A couple beads, info needed

[coinman123]

I found these artifacts in New England. The one on the rubber band is made out of bone, and the other one is made out of stone. What is the age on these.
Thanks,

 

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[catherine1]

i think if you found those in a group setting. Bead artifacts...

 

[monsterrack]

The holes don't look right in the stone one to be old

 

[coinman123]

i think if you found those in a group setting. Bead artifacts...

No, they were not in a group setting, the bone one was 45 miles away from the stone one.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

They both look natural to me.

 

[unclemac]

the tube looking one looks like a piece of a pipe stem...I have a couple of those that were re purposed into beads.

 

[redbeardrelics]

Really hard to tell without holding them in your hand, but to hazard a guess, I was also thinking that the one with the smaller hole looked to be part of a European pipe stem. The one with the larger hole looks to me to be possibly dense ceramic rather than stone, the type of ceramic sometimes used in electric insulators??

 

[coinman123]

Really hard to tell without holding them in your hand, but to hazard a guess, I was also thinking that the one with the smaller hole looked to be part of a European pipe stem. The one with the larger hole looks to me to be possibly dense ceramic rather than stone, the type of ceramic sometimes used in electric insulators??

When would a European pipe stem be from, also the one you say is a European pipe stem is made out of bone, I tested to see if it would stick to my tongue, and it passed, also it feels like old bone, but then again old clay sitting in the elements would maybe pass the "tongue test", it would probably feel like bone too. Also, the one with the small hole is very light weight.
I think you are right on the big one being a wire insulator.

 

[unclemac]

When would a European pipe stem be from, also the one you say is a European pipe stem is made out of bone, I tested to see if it would stick to my tongue, and it passed, also it feels like old bone, but then again old clay sitting in the elements would maybe pass the "tongue test", it would probably feel like bone too. Also, the one with the small hole is very light weight.
I think you are right on the big one being a wire insulator.

yeah, for years I had one of those and swore up and down that it was bone...or antler...but it is ceramic pipe stem and it even ages to look like bone or antler.

bone doesn't look so solid in the middle.

 

[unclemac]

18th and 19th century

 

[GatorBoy]

I understand why it could be looked at as a possible kaolin clay pipe stem but I don't think that it is I think its just natural.
The other looks like some scrap of ceramic but nothing that was made into a bead I think its just a hollow part of what used to be a molded piece of ceramic.
I've seen loads of those stems.. Maybe but I don't think so

 

[GatorBoy]

 

[unclemac]

the offset of the hole and its tiny size, the half moon sort of profile not to mention the color and circumference ...it all screams pipe stem to me

 

[GatorBoy]

The way the material weathered is what I'm making my judgement call on