Please tell me are these authentic? I'd really like to know..

[ROCKateer]

Please tell me are these authentic? I'd really like to know...

 

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[The Grim Reaper]

What's the story on them? I see lots of red flags and the first and most obvious to me is that I have hunted Greenup county Kentucky pretty much my entire life and have never seen that Point type found here. Just what is it supposed to be? It's not a Heavy Duty, though it shows some basal characteristics it is way to thin. I don't know of a Bifurcate type like that in my area.

The stickers as well. One says from "an old site" and the other from "an ancient site". That is very vague for finds like these if they were legit. Someone would have documented them a lot better I would think.

The Maul is a typical repro type I have seen sold at several shows.

To be honest with you, I wouldn't buy any of them.

Just my thoughts and I may be wrong. Send them off to someone to have them authenticated. You could send them to Jackson Galleries or Davis, can't remember the first name though. Both are from Kentucky.

 

[Jon Stewart]

IMHO the edges of the hinges left on both blades look too sharp to have been laying in the dirt for a couple hundred years. Is the material hornstone?

 

[joshuaream]

I've been wrong before, but neither of those points strikes me as looking particularly old or ancient.

 

[CaptEsteban]

I've been wrong before, but neither of those points strikes me as looking particularly old or ancient.

I agree.

 

[1320]

What's the story on them? I see lots of red flags and the first and most obvious to me is that I have hunted Greenup county Kentucky pretty much my entire life and have never seen that Point type found here. Just what is it supposed to be? It's not a Heavy Duty, though it shows some basal characteristics it is way to thin. I don't know of a Bifurcate type like that in my area.

The stickers as well. One says from "an old site" and the other from "an ancient site". That is very vague for finds like these if they were legit. Someone would have documented them a lot better I would think.

The Maul is a typical repro type I have seen sold at several shows.

To be honest with you, I wouldn't buy any of them.

Just my thoughts and I may be wrong. Send them off to someone to have them authenticated. You could send them to Jackson Galleries or Davis, can't remember the first name though. Both are from Kentucky.

Davis Artifacts

 

[Zandoliisland]

i'm no expert, however if you reverse the two pieces, the colors match to make it appear they may have come from the same piece of stone.. That alone would make it odd to come from two different areas..
Like i said, im no expert, just what I think..

 

[civil_war22]

They are some nice pieces but as many blades and other artifacts I've found its very hard to get one that clean and that neat. Most of mine even if they've been in a bluff shelter for a very long time still have some wear and never clean up that nice almost like they knapped it and it never touched anything out in the elements. Which is almost impossible

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I am in agreement with others, they appear to be too clean to be ancient.....

 

[jj358]

I agree with everyone else. They are not ancient but are indian made. i just hope you or someone you know didn't get taken by these.

 

[monsterrack]

The war club is a repro as are the points. They look to have been made from a slab of saw cut stone. There is not enough back bone or ridge down the middle for a point of that style and length and as the others have said edges are to clean , straight and no patina. Also the stickers look like they were put on yesterday.

 

[civil_war22]

I agree with everyone else. They are not ancient but are indian made. i just hope you or someone you know didn't get taken by these.

They most likely weren't indian made. Most native Americans I know that knap points and blades put a little more effort into theirs and want them to look like theor ancestors. This looks like a decent flint knapper if he was planning on using them himself and not selling them.

 

[unclemac]

i was noticing the stickers too...they would be in pencil if they were actually old...and none of that "ancient site" stuff either. the club looks like it was made with a dremel tool.

 

[jj358]

When I said Indian made I was referring to people of India not native Americans.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

When I said Indian made I was referring to people of India not native Americans.

Those aren't India Points. They are always made from a very colorful Agate. The Points above are made from American material, but they both repros.

 

[ROCKateer]

Thanks a lot for your opinions and advice!!

 

[civil_war22]

Shoot if I was you if I didn't pay much for them I'd put them on a repro stick and make me a decorative room that is native american and then go out and find real ones and make shadow boxes to display them in.

 

[RGINN]

That's not how the 'war club' would have been attached to the handle.

 

[unclemac]

That's not how the 'war club' would have been attached to the handle.

...yeah, that was odd....

 

[RGINN]

Another interesting thing is the beadwork on the handle. That's called the brick stitch, and that technique didn't really come into use until maybe the turn of the 20th century, so it would be out of place with the stone war club. Most of the historic stone war clubs you see that have beadwork on the handles, the beads were simply wrapped around the handle. I think the war clubs may have gone by the way by the time they started doing brick stitch or gourd stitch, which are usually used on items pertaining to the native American church. Good beadwork technique on this item though. I can't affiliate the work with any particular tribe, but Cheyennes and Comanches used brick stitch, along with some old ladies in Thailand. May not be historic and authentic, but pretty cool stuff anyway.