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    New Member Needs Help Identifying Creek Finds

    Hello, I am recently retired and have just begun to learn about Native American artifacts. My family owns a large piece of property in St. Charles, MO. It has a large creek and smaller creeks running through it, and it is well-known/believed that Native Americans once lived on the property. Over the past 50 years, many arrowheads have been found, but that about exhausted our knowledge of artifacts up until now. Anyway, I was artifact-creek-walking for the first time this past week and came across numerous items, one in particular, that I'd love to get your input on. I found it in a small wet shallow creek bed. It is stone and fits comfortably in my hand. There appears to be an image of a snake's head on one side and a bird head and bear head (?) on the other. When I hold it in my right hand, the snake head points away from me and the bird and bear face towards me. On the bear's face, there appear to be 2 very small chiseled square/rectangular "eyes". Any ideas on what this is, what it may have been used, by whom, and/or when? My thought was perhaps it was used by a shaman or in a ritual of some sort? I have also found many other interesting items, which I will post, as well, if you are interested in seeing them. But first, I will simply post pictures of this intriguing snake/bird/bear relic. Thank you, I look forward to reading your replies.


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    I am not an expert but I have a feeling that you'll be told by those who know better, this is just an interesting looking rock.

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    Here are a few of the other artifacts I found in the same small creek area. Your comments are most welcome, as I definitely have much to learn. (Sorry, some of the pics loaded upside-down.)

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  4. #4
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    That first one's just a cool rock, in my opinion. Never go by how it fits in the hand, but what you would actually use it for. That second set, you got a couple of things there. I don't hunt creeks; I locate the village sites and hunt there. rock, who hunts creeks all the time and is on here can look at that second set of pics and tell you more than I could about them.
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    Just like Texas in 1880.

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    Thank you!
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    Nice finds!! You're in the right area and you have found some cool points and scrapers.
    That circular scraper could have possibly been hafted and used as an axe as well. Second pic looks like a flake that was intended to be used as a knife blade. Good luck and Keep looking!! HH
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrdigz View Post
    Nice finds!! You're in the right area and you have found some cool points and scrapers.
    That circular scraper could have possibly been hafted and used as an axe as well. Second pic looks like a flake that was intended to be used as a knife blade. Good luck and Keep looking!! HH
    Thanks for your input!
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    Missouri is a fantastic state for artifacts. Keep searching the gravel bars in that creek, slowly. Good luck!
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    1st post is natural formed rocks with erosion. Dont get hung up on how a rock fits your hand, that is common mistake new hunters make, you can make almost any rock fit in your hand one way or another .

    2nd set of photos number 1 and 3 are a maybe, the rest are natural rocks from erosion, need better pictures of edges and back of 1 and edges of 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptsofnc View Post
    Missouri is a fantastic state for artifacts. Keep searching the gravel bars in that creek, slowly. Good luck!
    Couldn't have said it better! You will find something.
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    Google some points from your area and get an idea on shape and probably most importantly the type of material to look for. I've posted quite a few rocks on here so dont feel bad. But I've learned a lot from here. Once you find a good one it'll start clicking
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    Thanks for all the replies, appreciate it!
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    Welcome Louise22! Whether the first find is a wildly interesting natural rock or an artifact - I love it! I would have a ball telling stories about it with my granddaughters. I'm still in the beginning stages of learning to identify artifacts too.
    There are a couple of sites that have been very helpful in my learning process.
    This one explains a lot of the terms I needed to know in order to use the second site. http://www.fire.ca.gov/resource_mgt/..._artifacts.pdf
    The second site helps with identifying what you might find in your area.
    Projectile Point Identification Guide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BearCreek View Post
    Welcome Louise22! Whether the first find is a wildly interesting natural rock or an artifact - I love it! I would have a ball telling stories about it with my granddaughters. I'm still in the beginning stages of learning to identify artifacts too.
    There are a couple of sites that have been very helpful in my learning process.
    This one explains a lot of the terms I needed to know in order to use the second site. http://www.fire.ca.gov/resource_mgt/..._artifacts.pdf
    The second site helps with identifying what you might find in your area.
    Projectile Point Identification Guide.
    Enjoy your hunts - look forward to seeing what you find!
    So true, BearCreek!! - fyi: we have a department at Washington University in St. Louis where they will examine potential artifacts, and it's been suggested that I take the first item I posted to them, which I plan on doing. I cannot imagine Mother Nature just happened to create this . . . those chiseled eyes on the "bear" are not happenstance. Many thanks for the web links, I will definitely take a look
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louise22 View Post
    So true, BearCreek!! - fyi: we have a department at Washington University in St. Louis where they will examine potential artifacts, and it's been suggested that I take the first item I posted to them, which I plan on doing. I cannot imagine Mother Nature just happened to create this . . . those chiseled eyes on the "bear" are not happenstance. Many thanks for the web links, I will definitely take a look
    I walked the creeks, streams and rivers of Missouri for over 20 years artifact hunting, I found hundreds like the one in your opening post, all natural erosion.
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