Big Sandy Broad Base?

[BearCreek]

The treasures just keep coming! First the beautiful green Tallahatta Quartzite point and now this little gem. It also showed up in the round pen we just put in for training our horses. I can't believe it is just missing a little of one barb. I'm just learning to identify types, but it seems to have a lot of characteristics of the Big Sandy Broad Base. Any ideas on type?

This was a surface find on our farm in NW Georgia.

 

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[old digger]

Cool Find!
Looks like you ought to some sifting in and around that horse corral?

 

[sandchip]

With no beveling apparent, it looks like a heavily resharpened Kirk Corner Notch to me, and the missing barb looks like a case of intentional shoulder removal. Can you get a little better shot of that feature? Looks like you're on a roll, gal!

 

[coosakid]

Lucky ass

 

[dts52]

Beautiful find!
HH
dts

 

[willjo]

What sandchip said

 

[BearCreek]

I've been serving up round bales of hay in that spot for almost 4 years. Our farrier told me to put the hay there because the rain would run off down the hill and lessen the amount of mud the horses stand around in. I can't believe anything has survived me tearing around on the tractor with the box scraper "sifting" up mounds of manure lol! If I'm really lucky maybe I'll find a beautiful red jasper clovis - your banner find is STUNNING!

 

[BearCreek]

Sandchip you are keeping me on my toes! I've learned about basal grinding and now I'm off to learn about beveled edges. As soon as the sun comes out I'll get a closer picture of the barb. It doesn't look like anything I'd pick to hunt down an animal, but I'm assuming that is what it was used for. So I'm wondering if this is a Kirk, does the early archaic time period have any connection with the first point I found? Would it also be from the early archaic period? Why is the location where I saw them so close to each other... I'm bewildered! Thanks for your response

 

[BearCreek]

Coosakid it is more like these artifacts found me! You, my friend are the lucky one! My next career is whatever your career is - all those beautiful finds...at work!

 

[NCPeaches]

You are finding some amazing points girl! oh and I cleaned out my inbox now, had no idea it was that full lol

 

[sandchip]

Sandchip you are keeping me on my toes! I've learned about basal grinding and now I'm off to learn about beveled edges. As soon as the sun comes out I'll get a closer picture of the barb. It doesn't look like anything I'd pick to hunt down an animal, but I'm assuming that is what it was used for. So I'm wondering if this is a Kirk, does the early archaic time period have any connection with the first point I found? Would it also be from the early archaic period? Why is the location where I saw them so close to each other... I'm bewildered! Thanks for your response

My theory on intentional shoulder removal is to distribute the force bearing against the handle as cutting pressure is applied to the opposite blade edge, lessening the chance of splitting the, more than likely, bone socket handle. So, I don't think it was used to hunt with, but instead as a knife. As far as the disparity in time periods, if you have a good, reliable source of clean water nearby, you stand the chance of finding anything from Paleo all the way up to the present, and that's a good problem to have. Girl, you gotta move dem horses!

 

[rock]

Nice looking early point

 

[fishstick]

My theory on intentional shoulder removal is to distribute the force bearing against the handle as cutting pressure is applied to the opposite blade edge, lessening the chance of splitting the, more than likely, bone socket handle. So, I don't think it was used to hunt with, but instead as a knife. As far as the disparity in time periods, if you have a good, reliable source of clean water nearby, you stand the chance of finding anything from Paleo all the way up to the present, and that's a good problem to have. Girl, you gotta move dem horses!

And the rounding of the tip suggests knife as well..

 

[jamey]

you have only just begun

 

[BearCreek]

Sandchip here's a closer picture of the missing shoulder. Please excuse my farm girl hands - Work day

 

[arrow86]

Nice find deff looks older ..... May be time to get the tractor out and plow the entire area ..... Just tell everybody your doing a giant garden this year lol

 

[sandchip]

Sandchip here's a closer picture of the missing shoulder...

Thanks, Bear. I've always been fascinated by them. I'm not a knapper but always thought that they would require some skill to accomplish, but they never seem to get that much attention. Too homely I guess, compared to her beautiful sister, Flute. Maybe some knappers here can help, but I always figured the blow had to be applied indirectly using some sort of drift tool. Enough force had to be applied for the flake to travel far enough to hinge out at the bottom of the notch, but not so far as to take off the entire base (I've got one where that seems to be what happened).

 

[sandchip]

Here's a couple of exhausted Kirk Corner Notch points. Oddly enough, the one on the right also has its shoulder intentionally removed. You can see the hinge fracture near the bottom of the left notch. The other one looks nice when you hold it up to the light. Also shown is one resharpened into a drill. All three were much larger originally.

 

[capsmith]

Hey BearCreek lets see some pictures outside ,where you are feeding hay . It may be on top of a camp site.

 

[BearCreek]

Here's a couple of exhausted Kirk Corner Notch points. Oddly enough, the one on the right also has its shoulder intentionally removed. You can see the hinge fracture near the bottom of the left notch. The other one looks nice when you hold it up to the light. Also shown is one resharpened into a drill. All three were much larger originally.

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Those are really nice Sandchip! I love the translucent one! It is pretty odd that the same shoulder was intentionally removed on the one made of chert? Or jasper? The one I found just has a fragile look compared to other types of points - well I guess that should be knives, not points. I don't know what the purpose of the barbs are. They look like you could knock them off so easily! Thanks for sharing your pics and great info!