Need some help on this one

[georgia flatlander]

This looks like a Clovis to me, but I thought I'd let everyone weigh in. Found in an early Archaic/transitional Paleo site. Thanks!

 

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[arrow86]

I think it looks Clovis , I hope it is that’s one good looking point , what’s the story on it ? Surface find ? Digging ?

 

[georgia flatlander]

I think it looks Clovis , I hope it is that’s one gods looking point , what’s the story on it ? Surface find ? Digging ?

Found in a sandy bank, but actually sifted from some dirt that was thrown out weeks ago!

 

[Shorewalker]

Beauty!

 

[quito]

Redstone

 

[arrow86]

Redstone

Don’t Redstones have more of a curved base and pointed ears?

 

[rock]

Not sure wash it and send it to me then I will know

 

[ToddsPoint]

I don't see what else it could be. Congrats! You've found the Holy Grail of head hunting. Gary

 

[quito]

Don’t Redstones have more of a curved base and pointed ears?

Redstones Expand toward the base, others normally have a straight edge toward the base.

 

[NCPeaches]

That is a beauty and I hope it's Clovis too, good save on that one!

 

[jamey]

sure is one i would of loved to pick up,looks more clovis than redstone though,but id would think the tip would be more rounded for clovis,could have been picked up and reworked thanks for sharing.

 

[joshuaream]

Awesome find!

I don’t see any Clovis technology there, I’d lean towards one of the many later triangle/lanceolate forms.

 

[georgia flatlander]

The only problem is with the time frame. Clovis would have been at the upper end of the era for the points I've found at the site.
So far, Dalton, Pine Tree, Lost Lake, Kirk and Big Sandy's have been the only points found there, with Big Sandy's and Kirks being the most abundant. All of these date, from the oldest, about 10,000 years to about 8,000 years BP.
Clovis may have overlapped, but it would be at the earliest dates for all of these other points. I know that's just the model, and they could be much older, but I don't want to claim Clovis unless it's fairly concrete.
It gives me another excuse to keep looking!

 

[georgia flatlander]

Awesome find!

I don’t see any Clovis technology there, I’d lean towards one of the many later triangle/lanceolate forms.

That's my inclination as well. The fluting and ears aren't pronounced. It looks to me as if maybe they refinished a different type, besides the age factor.

 

[1320]

Awesome find!

I don’t see any Clovis technology there, I’d lean towards one of the many later triangle/lanceolate forms.

I thought the very same at first glance (on my cell phone), looks Hopewellish, Greenvilleish, Gunthersville Barbed maybe.

 

[1320]

The only problem is with the time frame. Clovis would have been at the upper end of the era for the points I've found at the site.
So far, Dalton, Pine Tree, Lost Lake, Kirk and Big Sandy's have been the only points found there, with Big Sandy's and Kirks being the most abundant. All of these date, from the oldest, about 10,000 years to about 8,000 years BP.
Clovis may have overlapped, but it would be at the earliest dates for all of these other points. I know that's just the model, and they could be much older, but I don't want to claim Clovis unless it's fairly concrete.
It gives me another excuse to keep looking!

I have one rock shelter that has consistently produced Kirk cluster type tools but every now and then, a Woodland piece shows up in the mix at the same level. Proof positive that the site has been disturbed in the past by man or beast. A ground hog, a cave rat, moles, rabbits...any type of burrowing critter can really screw up the matrix. Previous human activity cannot be ruled out either. When my Dad took me digging, I had my own shovel and a pocket full of Hot Wheels. I used to make some nice tunnel tracks for my fleet...lol.

 

[georgia flatlander]

I thought the very same at first glance (on my cell phone), looks Hopewellish, Greenvilleish, Gunthersville Barbed maybe.

It does have that shape, but it's thicker than the Guntersville types I've found. Also, the age wouldn't fit into this particular site. I had someone look at it who said it was most likely a Dalton variant, which I can see looking at the base.
I think it's just going to go into the box labeled "Unknown".
Thanks for commenting!

 

[georgia flatlander]

I have one rock shelter that has consistently produced Kirk cluster type tools but every now and then, a Woodland piece shows up in the mix at the same level. Proof positive that the site has been disturbed in the past by man or beast. A ground hog, a cave rat, moles, rabbits...any type of burrowing critter can really screw up the matrix. Previous human activity cannot be ruled out either. When my Dad took me digging, I had my own shovel and a pocket full of Hot Wheels. I used to make some nice tunnel tracks for my fleet...lol.

That's pretty funny! A lost Hot Wheels mixed in would make for some head-scratching in a hundred years!

 

[1320]

It does have that shape, but it's thicker than the Guntersville types I've found. Also, the age wouldn't fit into this particular site. I had someone look at it who said it was most likely a Dalton variant, which I can see looking at the base.
I think it's just going to go into the box labeled "Unknown".
Thanks for commenting!

Make sure to put something like "exceptional" or "extraordinary" in front of the "Unkown". It's a very nice piece regardless.

 

[ptsofnc]

Outstanding!