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    Show me the Clovis!

    Always been really interested in the Clovis points. If you have been lucky enough to find some Letís see them!!

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    Here are the only two complete ones I have personally found.

    I fixed the pictures. Not sure why they loaded like that.

    Heres some info on these. I was home for lunch when I posted then and was out of time.

    The smaller one I found near Haverhill Ohio in Scioto county Ohio. It is ground very nice on one side and the other side is damaged. It's only fluted on one side and is pretty much exhausted.

    The bigger one I found on the Bonzo farm in Lawrence county Ohio. I had never hunted this particular field and because of backwater blocking my way to the Hopewell Village I was trying to get to I went and walked this field and found this Clovis and one other point. I hunted if several times after that and never found another point, just a few pieces of Flint. This is fluted on both sides and heavily ground on both sides. It's made from a variety of Coshocton Flint. I had a great in situ of it but lost it in a computer crash.
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    Wish I had one to show but I dont
    Personal finds were on private property which I have permission to hunt.
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    Grim nice one , did you post a second ? I only saw the one.
    I havenít been lucky enough to find one Iíd say itís probably the top item on my bucket list and in my opinion the prettiest type of point made.
    I would rather see an authentic broken scraper posted than a G-10 Artifake!

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    Quote Originally Posted by arrow86 View Post
    Grim nice one , did you post a second ? I only saw the one.
    I haven’t been lucky enough to find one I’d say it’s probably the top item on my bucket list and in my opinion the prettiest type of point made.
    I see 5 pictures in my post of two different Clovis Points. What do you see?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Grim Reaper View Post
    I see 5 pictures in my post of two different Clovis Points. What do you see?
    All 5 of them are showing now , nice finds
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    I would rather see an authentic broken scraper posted than a G-10 Artifake!

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    I've been lucky enough to find a lot of Clovis tools, broken points, bifaces, flakes, etc. I found one nice Clovis point in Indiana when I was a kid, and like a dope, I sold it when I was a kid. Proving to be harder to find it a second time to buy it back.

    Here are a couple of well known archaeologists looking at a frame of my Clovis material. (Southern most and Eastern most Clovis site in the world.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuaream View Post
    I've been lucky enough to find a lot of Clovis tools, broken points, bifaces, flakes, etc. I found one nice Clovis point in Indiana when I was a kid, and like a dope, I sold it when I was a kid. Proving to be harder to find it a second time to buy it back.

    Here are a couple of well known archaeologists looking at a frame of my Clovis material. (Southern most and Eastern most Clovis site in the world.)

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    Have you ever Hunted or found any around smith island in the Chesapeake Bay or the surrounding islands ?
    I would rather see an authentic broken scraper posted than a G-10 Artifake!

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    You want real ones or reproductions? I'll show you one of each.

    This shorty Clovis was found by me in '88. He got his money's worth from this one. It's totally exhausted. Haven't found another whole one since. This point was found on a late archaic site and was probably found by archaic Indians somewhere and brought back to their camp. No other paleo anything on the site. I'd guess the material is KY flint, possibly Sonora.

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    Here's a killer repro Clovis. Material is Holland flint from Dubois Co. IN. Reproductions are great learning tools, especially when you learn to make them yourself. Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuaream View Post
    I've been lucky enough to find a lot of Clovis tools, broken points, bifaces, flakes, etc. I found one nice Clovis point in Indiana when I was a kid, and like a dope, I sold it when I was a kid. Proving to be harder to find it a second time to buy it back.

    Here are a couple of well known archaeologists looking at a frame of my Clovis material. (Southern most and Eastern most Clovis site in the world.)

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    Joshuaream... A lot of what you show in your frame looks like quickly made expedient tools. Were they determined to be of clovis origin by your finding them IN ASSOCIATION WITH clearly clovis points and tools??" Just curious. Thanks for posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptsofnc View Post
    Joshuaream... A lot of what you show in your frame looks like quickly made expedient tools. Were they determined to be of clovis origin by your finding them IN ASSOCIATION WITH clearly clovis points and tools??" Just curious. Thanks for posting.
    That picture isn’t the best at showing the tools, it was about who was in the picture. The site has been written up and referenced several times. Thousands of tools, hundreds of biface fragments, dozens and dozens of broken points, overshots, cores, bladelets, core tabs, platters, channel flakes, etc.

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    Point broken before fluting, fluting nipple visible.
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    Overshot/Outrepasse flake tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arrow86 View Post
    Have you ever Hunted or found any around smith island in the Chesapeake Bay or the surrounding islands ?
    No, but I got to see some of the really great pieces that Dennis Stanford has documented from there. Amazing snapshot of history captured by a couple of very observant collectors.

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    This is my Paleo assemblage from my general area. All of the Tools and two of the Points came from the same site which has produced 5 Clovis Points that I know of. The others are from surrounding areas in Scioto and Lawrence counties Ohio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuaream View Post
    That picture isn’t the best at showing the tools, it was about who was in the picture. The site has been written up and referenced several times. Thousands of tools, hundreds of biface fragments, dozens and dozens of broken points, overshots, cores, bladelets, core tabs, platters, channel flakes, etc.

    Here are a couple of broken points.

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    Point broken before fluting, fluting nipple visible.
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    Overshot/Outrepasse flake tool.
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    Yes. I recognize Dennis Stanford in the pictures, have read some of his books, and watched his presentations. But my question is did they conclude that the some of the tools were clovis (not archaic or later) simply because they were found in association with the clovis points? Is there something specific about the flaking, shape, material, etc that led the archeologists to call them clovis tools even if they didn't find any clovis points?
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    If you find a site with Clovis material on the surface but no material from a later culture, then it's probably a pure Clovis site and you can assume all the tools are paleo. Or, you dig a site that is well stratified and reach a level that is paleo you can assume everything from that strata is paleo. Gary

 

 
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