A Few More Rescued From Neglect

[OntarioArch]

Picked a few out of a guy's inherited / neglected collection, very reasonable prices. No provenance available from owner....but one clue was a point labeled "Mo. '51" (I assume Missouri 1951.) So I have been looking through Overstreet's East Central and South Central sections, as well as online sources, for some help identifying types and the lithics. Any help is appreciated!


I am guessing 'Morrow Mountain Straight Base' ; no idea of the lithic. Any help?


Really nice 'Jack's Reef' with longish barbs completely intact, thinned and heavily ground base. If this was found in NY I would say Onondaga Chert...but from East Central states?



Notched, serrated drill. Lithic resembles some photos of Dover Chert I have seen - light grays, medium grays, to light brown. Agree? Other ideas?


Big Sandy maybe? The lithic looks a bit translucent, creamy beige with interior rosey shades. Could this be Noviculite?



Love this material! Do I see some attempt at overshot flaking on this Blade? And could it be Coshocton Chert? What other South Central - East Central cherts can be this brilliant black?

Appreciate your opinions!

 

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[sandchip]

That first one looks like it could've come outta south Georgia all day long, shape, color, everything.

 

[OntarioArch]

That first one looks like it could've come outta south Georgia all day long, shape, color, everything.

Could very well be, sandchip. What would you call that lithic?

 

[GaRebel1861]

That first one looks like it could've come outta south Georgia all day long, shape, color, everything.

I was going to say the same thing when I saw it.

 

[arrow86]

Some nice points , unreal that drill stayed intact

 

[Rookster]

Some nice looking finds. Congratulations

 

[Relicgrubber]

That first one looks like it could've come outta south Georgia all day long, shape, color, everything.

It does resemble an Abby...

 

[Sunny Side]

Picked a few out of a guy's inherited / neglected collection, very reasonable prices. No provenance available from owner....but one clue was a point labeled "Mo. '51" (I assume Missouri 1951.) So I have been looking through Overstreet's East Central and South Central sections, as well as online sources, for some help identifying types and the lithics. Any help is appreciated!

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I am guessing 'Morrow Mountain Straight Base' ; no idea of the lithic. Any help?

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Really nice 'Jack's Reef' with longish barbs completely intact, thinned and heavily ground base. If this was found in NY I would say Onondaga Chert...but from East Central states?

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Notched, serrated drill. Lithic resembles some photos of Dover Chert I have seen - light grays, medium grays, to light brown. Agree? Other ideas?

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Big Sandy maybe? The lithic looks a bit translucent, creamy beige with interior rosey shades. Could this be Noviculite?

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Love this material! Do I see some attempt at overshot flaking on this Blade? And could it be Coshocton Chert? What other South Central - East Central cherts can be this brilliant black?

Appreciate your opinions!

The drill is not Dover chert, the jet black piece has the sheen of Zaleski flint eastern Ohio, but it could be Kanawa flint. There is another source located in extreme south eastern Kentucky that resembles the aforementioned, the local collectors call it Black Ice which is glassy like obsidian.

 

[newnan man]

It does resemble an Abby...

That's what I thought too. S. Ga. Abbey.

 

[Trezurehunter]

Those are some very nice pieces.

 

[OntarioArch]

An Expert who has been kindly assisting this amatuer...discounts my initial ID of 'Jack's Reef' - the point blade is too triangular, too broad at the shoulders. Yup - thanks for the lesson.

To my eye, re-focused upon reconsideration and suggestions from the Expert, it most resembles a Kirk Corner Notched...but just not sure. One thing for sure I would say: it sure looks Archaic old, well used, and worn. Very smooth, ground base; fracture ridges worn down smooth; 3-D iron deposits on blade; fracture hinges and fracture ledges show patina build up. I love it, just wish I knew its name.

 

[Sunny Side]

An Expert who has been kindly assisting this amatuer...discounts my initial ID of 'Jack's Reef' - the point blade is too triangular, too broad at the shoulders. Yup - thanks for the lesson.

To my eye, re-focused upon reconsideration and suggestions from the Expert, it most resembles a Kirk Corner Notched...but just not sure. One thing for sure I would say: it sure looks Archaic old, well used, and worn. Very smooth, ground base; fracture ridges worn down smooth; 3-D iron deposits on blade; fracture hinges and fracture ledges show patina build up. I love it, just wish I knew its name.

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Bob Converse long time OHio Arch Society bypassed the Semantics of certain point types all together. He just called them archaic corner notches. Also I would bet that is Kanawa chert.

 

[OntarioArch]

Bob Converse long time OHio Arch Society bypassed the Semantics of certain point types all together. He just called them archaic corner notches. Also I would bet that is Kanawa chert.

That makes life simpler, Sunny. Good point.

 

[arrow86]

First thing I thought when I saw it was Kirk corner notch and a really nice one

 

[MosesOfTheSouth]

most those compare to things i've found in tennesee as well, except the first. maybe south east as a region? nice saves tho

 

[uniface]

IMHO, "Big Sandy ?" = Otter Creek. Later in time & thus more common / - likely to be found.

 

[OntarioArch]

IMHO, "Big Sandy ?" = Otter Creek. Later in time & thus more common / - likely to be found.

Interesting, Uni, let me read up on Otter Creek.

 

[gilmerman]

The only sure way to actually know the provenance of an artifact is to find it yourself. There are several traders and sellers that have an excellent standing but the best can be tricked. It is left up to each collector to satisfy themselves. I will never challenge one of us but keep my opinion to myself. I will give my thoughts of the type occasionally when I believe relevant information. I will seek opinions if I am unsure of my questions about a type.