Bannerstone from another area

[Davey Crockett]

This is a good time to try figure out and sort and label our finds and pass them along to out kids and grandkids some day. My wife was at an estate sale and bought this banner stone . The previous owner had been a rock hound about 20 miles away for many years but we never knew him. It doesn't look like any type of rock I see in this area so it may have came from somewhere else if he traveled.

 

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[newnan man]

Welcome!

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Not sure about the Banner. I am always suspect of pieces like that. Just too perfect and an unusual material.

I would like like to see those pieces in the background though if you could post them. Thanks.

 

[Gaspipe]

Looks too perfect

 

[Davey Crockett]

Are there a lot of reproductions out there ? I've never put a value on them just collected them but it would be nice to get an idea what they are worth. Most are worthless some may be worth a little but still cool to have and to pass on, That's priceless . I'm hoping someone will recognize the type of rock that would lead me toward a region. The Grim reaper, I'll post a couple of pics probably tomorrow. We are getting snow so it will be a good day to tinker with rocks.

 

[IMAUDIGGER]

You can’t pass it on till you can explain what it was used for.

 

[tnmudman]

You can’t pass it on till you can explain what it was used for.

Why not?

 

[joshuaream]

I'd agree with Grim, the odds of that being authentic are slim (just because so many are faked.). But I will say that it looks pretty well made, the walls of the barrel are thinner than 99% of the common replicas out there.

The style to me suggests Southern Illinois or across the river into Missouri, the material might have come from Missouri. They have been found elsewhere, but most of the authentic ones I have seen are from a couple counties in Southern Illinois.

 

[dognose]

can you please post more images of the banner, closeups of the wings, hole and profiles from multiple views?

 

[wingmaster]

Indian's were known to have a pretty far trade system, I've heard they often traded flint from other area's. HH

 

[Davey Crockett]

yes I'll post some more pics tomorrow.

 

[Davey Crockett]

You can’t pass it on till you can explain what it was used for.

The two uses I have come up with so far, A bow drill .



And/or a spear counter weight.

 

[ToddsPoint]

Material looks like purple quartzite that I see in the glacial till here in Cent. IL. Most butterfly quartz banners are made from semi translucent quartzite that is reddish or orangish in color. Although the purple quartzite is common here, I've never seen an authentic artifact made from it, but you never know. Gary

 

[dognose]

That's a good point Gary.

on the "but you never know." angle, it seems that there can be very unique relics that come up in to the public view every now and then.

for example, while I have not ever never seen a serrated clovis, but one was at the Collinsville events and made the CSASI 2009 Jan cover Central States Archaeological Societies January 2009 table of contents

examples that were once thought not to be found, well, you never know until one is.

 

[Mine Shaft]

I have posted several items i thought were authentic and Grim was the first person to question my artifacts. I sent them in to be authenticated and they all came back reproductions but they said they were museum quality repo's lol.

 

[IMAUDIGGER]

The two uses I have come up with so far, A bow drill .

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And/or a spear counter weight.

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Interesting...I’d love to see a video of someone trying to physically test/debunk those theories. Kind of like myth busters.

 

[Davey Crockett]

 

[Davey Crockett]

It is a hard one to get a decent picture of because of the shine . It does have some grain to it , I'll practice some more and see what I can do with a camera.
For the guy that asked to see the rocks in the background.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

It is a hard one to get a decent picture of because of the shine . It does have some grain to it , I'll practice some more and see what I can do with a camera.
For the guy that asked to see the rocks in the background.


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That was me. Thanks for posting them. Those are some very nice Grooved Mauls.

 

[Tdog]

Those are some very nice Grooved Mauls.

Yes, they are.