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  1. #31
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    [QUOTE=Garscale;6508323]
    Quote Originally Posted by Huzzah! View Post
    Free country--Garscale can do what he wants no matter what the rest of us think.

    Garscale takes the risk of breaking artifacts, but that is a risk he is willing to accept; and here it has paid off handsomely.

    Thanks. By the way... My method of excavating breaks far less than any other digging method.
    Personally I don't care if you dynamite the entire site. I know for certain you cannot use a bucket or backhoe and damage less than using a hand shovel. I've been in construction all my life and when an excavation gets close to anything known to be underground it stops & the hand shoveling starts. You can backhoe/bucket load all you want but it is not a finesse machine. Some operators are really awesome but all the good ones I've seen always have a shovel behind their seat.
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  2. #32

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    I would like to see some more of what is being found.
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  3. #33
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    I knew a farmer in south Georgia that used a similar rig. Digging is digging, whether by shovel or loader. The old back can only turn so much dirt. Gar, what you're doing is one hell of a lot better than what developers do, go through the archy survey motions, then rape and pillage the land, artifacts and history be damned. At least you're saving and loving the artifacts.
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  4. #34
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    [QUOTE=newnan man;6508410]
    Quote Originally Posted by Garscale View Post

    Personally I don't care if you dynamite the entire site. I know for certain you cannot use a bucket or backhoe and damage less than using a hand shovel. I've been in construction all my life and when an excavation gets close to anything known to be underground it stops & the hand shoveling starts. You can backhoe/bucket load all you want but it is not a finesse machine. Some operators are really awesome but all the good ones I've seen always have a shovel behind their seat.
    A shovel gives blade exposure to every artifa t you dig with it. Shovel dings are very common on fine artifacts hand dug.

    With my skid steer I go under the strata containing artifacts and let the entire yard of dirt slide into the bucket. Then I ease it into the sifter. I spent 35 years perfecting this machine and getting it to the point of zero damage. Even pristine birdies like those posted in this thread. Virtually none of re artifacts have exposure to the blade. We find flawless artifacts all day long. With almost no exception any damage is ancient.

  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMAUDIGGER View Post
    I would like to see some more of what is being found.
    Here is one of many birdie frames from the site. Mabe this will make my point about low breakage. Wonder how many of these would have been broken with a shovel.
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    May 2020
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    I have been lurking for quite a while after Arrowheadology (HillCountryHunter) but felt the need to comment on this. I've never met GarGuy before but I would be lying if I said I wasn't really missing his posts & vast knowledge...his passion for native american history & artifacts is what peaked my interest in what is now, by far, my favorite hobby. I was really excited to see him posting smokers again, only to find people criticizing the method in which he rescued them. Ridiculous

    He used to post tons of pictures from several different digs, and I was blown away by how well the layers/historical context were preserved. If you think he is just smashing a bucket into artifacts carelessly, you couldn't be more wrong.

    Please continue posting your finds GarGuy, I certainly appreciate seeing them and I know plenty of other people do too. Also, please try to get Speck to start posting again if you can. The size and quality of the flint he was digging was incredible

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    like you said, the whole place was going to be a gravel excavation. I know for a fact that all those rich black dirt farms in Illinois that have been sub-divided into cul-d-sac hell suburbs, had their artifact rich soil layer scraped off to the clay. The irony is that after the houses were built, the homeowners had to pay to have decent soil brought back in.

    Keep excavating the areas that are going to be destroyed and don't let a point escape. Out of curiosity how big an area did you have to dig and how deep to find your 50 points?

  8. #38
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    Rock hunter

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclemac View Post
    like you said, the whole place was going to be a gravel excavation. I know for a fact that all those rich black dirt farms in Illinois that have been sub-divided into cul-d-sac hell suburbs, had their artifact rich soil layer scraped off to the clay. The irony is that after the houses were built, the homeowners had to pay to have decent soil brought back in.

    Keep excavating the areas that are going to be destroyed and don't let a point escape. Out of curiosity how big an area did you have to dig and how deep to find your 50 points?
    That particular day I ran about 200yds of dirt. Averaging better than a point per yd. That's not the highest volume dirt and would never be worth shovel digging but the quality is good and worth while with the power screen. I low balled the number some.

    We have dug 1000 points per day several times.
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  9. #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garscale View Post
    Here is one of many birdie frames from the site. Mabe this will make my point about low breakage. Wonder how many of these would have been broken with a shovel.
    That's one of the most impressive frames I've ever seen. And I've seen a few. Gary
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  10. #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToddsPoint View Post
    That's one of the most impressive frames I've ever seen. And I've seen a few. Gary
    Here are a couple more birdie frames from that site.they have since been consolidated into one collection. Originally we split the points from this site but now. Most are together.
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    Wow Ive been wanting to make a display case of those and searched the old Indian trails for the last few years havent found even 1 LOL Wow those are really awesome you had a very good day all those relics you saved, thats what we do save history. Well done. Thanks for sharing them.........Tommy

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  12. #42
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    Wow, blown away by this thread.....I would love to see a few pics of youíre setup. Iím busy working in a few cliff rock houses where time allows. Canít really get any kind of modern equip in there, we use small hand trowel, shovel and bucket method with 2x2 sifter on a saw horse. Haha. Iíve found some neat things, but your process really looks to be super effective to me. Congratulations on all your finds, pretty damn impressive, in my humble opinion. Keep sharing please. Thanks

  13. #43
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    Rock hunter

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn View Post
    Wow, blown away by this thread.....I would love to see a few pics of you’re setup. I’m busy working in a few cliff rock houses where time allows. Can’t really get any kind of modern equip in there, we use small hand trowel, shovel and bucket method with 2x2 sifter on a saw horse. Haha. I’ve found some neat things, but your process really looks to be super effective to me. Congratulations on all your finds, pretty damn impressive, in my humble opinion. Keep sharing please. Thanks
    I have done plenty hand sifting in my life. I can change your world on that too. Get you four stout trampoline springs and put one on each corner of your 2x2 screen. Stretch tight to whatever you have it on. It will screen dirt with a hundredth of the effort.tight springs are the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garscale View Post
    I have done plenty hand sifting in my life. I can change your world on that too. Get you four stout trampoline springs and put one on each corner of your 2x2 screen. Stretch tight to whatever you have it on. It will screen dirt with a hundredth of the effort.tight springs are the answer.
    Thank you for the advice. Yesterday we tried the tying sifter between two trees as opposed to saw horse(didnít feel like packing all the usual equipment in to location). It worked pretty nice actually once I got the softer hung up at right height for me to work. So put tramp spring on each corner of outer sifter, then hang tight between the two trees then? ThanksClick image for larger version. 

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    Btw, yesterday was first time weíve been back to this location to work. Itís where I found first piece of chert on that huge rock back in February that changed my life forever. Now Iím in caves, cliffs and overhangs on my land with any free time I have to search for ancient relics. Have no idea how people find the old camps elsewhere on their property. Have yet to find anything walking my creeks, but all three spots in the cliffs Iíve checked have produced points and artifacts. Yes Iím completely addicted for the rest of my time here!
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  15. #45
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    Killer overhang. There will be thicker material right outside along the drip line. The tighter you get the springs the less effort it takes to sift.
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