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  1. #16
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    All the photos showed up fine for me in your post. Sometimes I get that invalid attachment message too in other posts. Just never know.

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    Those are amazing to me. Today I went and found what I beleive are three Snappit points in a four square foot area. Two week sago I found again 2 full not chipped Snappits in the same 4 square foot area. Here are the three from today. Sorry photo is upside down. Need a new phone as lense is scratched. I do believe this tiny kitchen table sized area will produce more full snappits in a couple weeks. Do you have any idea ofwhy so many full points in literally 4 square feet. Definitely not a discard pile. Did they stash them on specific vantage point.s? All perfect.

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    Could it have been traded from NC with a personal twist on design...perhaps a left handed hunter..?
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    I guess the real question is;
    Does it have unique characteristics
    Do those characteristics seem to be based off a tribal design
    Is it more efficient
    Is it a doped up arrowhead..lol
    Are their similar designs with the same twist found outside of walking distance.
    Were they traded
    Are their too many for one person to make
    Perhaps just an artist amongst the hunters...
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    Perhaps their was a civil war amongst the Daltons in North Carolina. My best guess. Some migrated north bringing their knowledge of arrowheads. The reason of the civil war stills remains the mystery. My theory..
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    NC tribe migrated due to food or war. New name for the tribe still doesnt exist due to the fact they didnt wanna be found.
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    Prob made babies along the way amonst every tribe

    Lol. Idk but theirs a reason
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    Coming through now. Wow you and wife have gathered up some dandy examples,thanks for showing
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandchip View Post
    All the photos showed up fine for me in your post. Sometimes I get that invalid attachment message too in other posts. Just never know.
    If one of my photos is cropped, I get a message about the file size being wrong, and I just don’t use that photo. I did not get that message with the photos that would not show, so I posted them. But they must have been cropped at some point by me, they were old photos. Solved it by simply taking new photos and not cropping them. Then I found a couple older photos from the Robbins Museum that worked....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgychris View Post
    Charl,
    Those are amazing to me. Today I went and found what I beleive are three Snappit points in a four square foot area. Two week sago I found again 2 full not chipped Snappits in the same 4 square foot area. Here are the three from today. Sorry photo is upside down. Need a new phone as lense is scratched. I do believe this tiny kitchen table sized area will produce more full snappits in a couple weeks. Do you have any idea ofwhy so many full points in literally 4 square feet. Definitely not a discard pile. Did they stash them on specific vantage point.s? All perfect.

    Best Regards
    Chris
    The Snappit points will usually show grinding on the base. Squibnocket Triangles, by definition, will not have grinding. I only mention this because it is so hard to tell the two types apart. As to the concentration you mention, I just don’t know your site like you do, and cannot really answer that for you. I guess you can’t rule out cache...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgychris View Post
    Charl,

    Could it have been traded from NC with a personal twist on design...perhaps a left handed hunter..?
    I assume you are referring to our New England Hardaway-Dalton type. The Dalton tradition is unknown in New England. Meaning, I guess, no large Dalton sites, with everything associated with Dalton. But, isolated finds are a different story. And I have seen some killer no-brainer Dalton points. With only isolated surface finds of the style we call Hardaway-Dalton, and, for the most part, little resemblance to the Hardaway-Dalton of North Carolina, I don’t know how we reconstruct a relationship.

    Most classic NC Hardaway-Daltons have those attractive, recurved ears. Our version does not. Our Hardaway Side Notch finds do have Hardaway- like ears, but, even there, I have only seen a few New England Hardaway Side Notch points that would pass easily as the type if found in North Carolina. Personally, I don’t believe we should have ever adopted that Southeast point type name, namely Hardaway-Dalton, at all. Our Hardaway-Daltons deserve their own, unique name. Which will be a site name, if an undisturbed, datable site containing our New England style is ever found and studied. I do believe it is safe to assume our New England Hardaway-Daltons are at least Early Archaic, maybe appearing in Late Paleo. Though, generally, the Southeast type forms, like Kirk, probably appear here with more recent dates than Kirks and other Early Archaic types from the Southeast.

    Right now, it just is not possible to say what the relationship is between our Hardaway-Dalton points, and the classic form from NC.

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    Thatís a very cool and interesting point from what I can see.

    I doubt itís an arrowhead, but agree with the Hardaway-Dalton grouping that we see here in the Northeast.

    Itís hard to see from the clarity of the photos if I see basal thinning, fluting (on one side) or what finish was used at the base.

    Charlie raised a great question regarding the presents of grinding on the Snappit or Squibnocket Triangles.
    Iím not sure if anyone inquired about grinding at the basal area of the point in question, but that information is important.

 

 
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