Paleo Era Hardaway Dalton

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Hello,
Pictures speak more than words. So here were are. Pho e camera is a bit scratched sorry.

Its old n rare and cool and not lucky. Hard work son..
 

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Looks like a dalton or a Santa Fe, but I think Santa Fe's are found in the south. I could be wrong...anyways nice finds.
 

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Thats how we do it. Pretty cool relics
 

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Sure looks like a Dalton, but not a Hardaway Dalton. Great looking point that really had to make your day!
 

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Same material as in the book. That's pretty amazing. Gary

Its perfect. Thr best way I Can put it. No abnormalities. Semi serrated. Intense peice. Very happy. Tha ks for your appreciation.
 

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Nice point. It can sometimes be confusing to collectors who live in the home region for Hardaway-Daltons, North Carolina. I sometimes wonder if the late Jeff Boudreau regretted choosing this temporary name for these New England points. I never had the chance to ask him, regrettably, and we miss his guidance greatly. I say regret, because, by and large, New England Hardaway-Daltons simply do not resemble the form of this type from North Carolina. For this reason, in fact, Jeff pointed out that these points have never been found in a dated context in New England, and that, if and when that happens, they will be described and assigned their own unique name.

I have been lucky enough to find several over the years, as has my wife. You can also find some of the examples Jeff included in his New England typology on display at the Robbins Museum of the Massachusetts Archaeological Society.

Here is one of ours, found in Ma., and just to show the variability in form, some showing notches and ears. Boudreau mentioned that these are very seldom found broken, having been used as knives, and when frequently worked down to small size, examples such as the OP’s can become extraordinarily difficult to distinguish from some later triangles from this region....

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Sometimes, as with this quartzite example from RI, our New England examples actually do resemble Hardaway-Dalton points from their home region:

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My favorite quartz example, my wife’s find. Sometimes the basal concavity can approach that of a Debert fluted point, and this does have flute-like thinning on one side....

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Basal thinning:

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A recent find, erose blade edge, squared off corner, a la Dalton, and greatly resharpened. RI personal find...

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OK, the purplish rhyolite triangle in this frame from the Robbins was included in Boudreau’s typology, and this 2 1/2” example would be regarded as a classic example of a New England Hardaway-Dalton:

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An exhibit in the Robbins Museum. Here we can see how difficult some of these would prove to be when trying to distinguish from later triangles:

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And here are Hardaway-Dalton points from North Carolina, illustrating why confusion can reign when calling our New England points seen in this thread by the same name. Second row from the top and the two far right points in top row are Hardaway-Daltons...

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All the photos showed up fine for me in your post. Sometimes I get that invalid attachment message too in other posts. Just never know.
 

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Those are amazing to me. Today I went and found what I beleive are three Snappit points in a four square foot area. Two week sago I found again 2 full not chipped Snappits in the same 4 square foot area. Here are the three from today. Sorry photo is upside down. Need a new phone as lense is scratched. I do believe this tiny kitchen table sized area will produce more full snappits in a couple weeks. Do you have any idea ofwhy so many full points in literally 4 square feet. Definitely not a discard pile. Did they stash them on specific vantage point.s? All perfect.

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Could it have been traded from NC with a personal twist on design...perhaps a left handed hunter..?
 

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I guess the real question is;
Does it have unique characteristics
Do those characteristics seem to be based off a tribal design
Is it more efficient
Is it a doped up arrowhead..lol
Are their similar designs with the same twist found outside of walking distance.
Were they traded
Are their too many for one person to make
Perhaps just an artist amongst the hunters...
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Perhaps their was a civil war amongst the Daltons in North Carolina. My best guess. Some migrated north bringing their knowledge of arrowheads. The reason of the civil war stills remains the mystery. My theory..
 

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