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    Heavily Pecked and Battered Pestle

    (PESTLE) Wish I could edit title!

    Found yesterday in Northern Ca.
    Can anybody help with the correct terminology to describe this tool? Also wanted to share (it's my best find to date). Completely unsure of the possible age.

    I think this is classified as a pestle, showing evidence of pecking and heavy battering on each end. It has a narrow chopping end and a broad mashing end. It has well defined thumb ledges as well as some not so noticeable contouring for the fingers. I believe it's made from greenstone? It must have been a very desirable stone for all the labor that was put into it.
    I suspect it was used for a very long time.

    Outward face (notice pecked thumb ledges)
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    Palm side
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    Chopping end
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    Mashing end
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    Chopping end down (thumb indexed in pecked ledge)
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    Mashing end down (thumb indexed in pecked ledge)
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    As rough and heavily battered the ends are, my first thought was that this was a hammerstone of some sort used for breaking cobble, not mashing up wood/nut/fibers.
    It weighs just under 2.5 pounds!

    Please correct me if this isn't classified as a pestle

    Think I'm going to have to twist some arms to get my family to come help do some serious looking with me.
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    Additionally there seems to be a pecked out spot for the thumb higher up, which you can see in the last photo in my post above. This would result in more of an arc motion (using the mashing end), which doesn't seem right for a pestle. Maybe it would be useful for tearing woody fibers? It would make sense if you were breaking off a flake of cobble.

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    More like a Maul then a Pestle. Pestle will have more of a smoother type wear either flattened rounded or a dimple on bottom

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamus peek View Post
    More like a Maul then a Pestle. Pestle will have more of a smoother type wear either flattened rounded or a dimple on bottom
    That was kind of my first impression. Big hand held sledge hammer for breaking stuff.
    Then I got to reading the different classifications of tools. Pestle was the closest I could find.

    Interested to hear any feedback others have.
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    This photo shows the pecking well on the rounded smooth face.
    Not sure what they were doing with that band at the top. Stress relief?

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    Here's one of my nicer personal find hardstone Pestles. The colors are nice. The wear is from use as a Pestle.

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    Jamus, that's more along what I picture a pestle to look like.
    Then the hammer stones typically are smooth cobble stones, with very little evidence of modification.

    Unfortunately, a piece of heavy equipment damaged the stone revealing a bright green rock under that ancient patina that was probably very attractive when it was new. I have a suspicion this tool is more than a couple hundred years old.

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    Last edited by IMAUDIGGER; Jun 29, 2020 at 12:52 PM.
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    The terminology can be different depending on where you are from. I would consider this a Maul it's Pestle like but the wear indicates hammering. It has a very nice pock mark on the bottom.
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    Those I call "choppers" for lack of anything else to call them. Perhaps for smashing animal bones and large stuff. Here is a similar one made from a large river cobble I found recently.Click image for larger version. 

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    Found in Coosa Co. Alabama on Lake Martin.

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    One thing I'm noticing is how crude the tool I found was left compared to what is being provided as examples.
    Wonder why they took the time to peck it into shape, but never smoothed it out?

    Maybe it was anticipated a heavy maul might have a tendency to break so it was not worth the extra time?

    I'd expect to see some similar rough looking tools..
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    With that green color, is it heavy for its size? If that is the case it may have copper minerals i it. It'a cool piece for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokeythecat View Post
    With that green color, is it heavy for its size? If that is the case it may have copper minerals i it. It'a cool piece for sure.
    It's heavy like a dense rock.
    I think it's an altered form of basalt. But I'm no expert.

    There are bubbles, like it was formed under extreme heat.
    It likely originated as a boulder in a nearby large river that runs through volcanic flows.
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    I'd love to know how old it could be, but I'm sure I will need to find more worked obsidian and chert to come up with a guess?
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    So without seeing my artifact in person, my dad had a couple different ideas.

    He felt like maybe the stone was deteriorating with age and that’s why it had such a rough appearance.
    All of the stone tools he has ever ran across were worked smooth and very hard like the ones presented thus far in this thread. Granite is somewhat easily obtainable around here, as are very hard river cobbles.

    He also brought up the idea that the green looking scratches could be transfer marks from a different softer rock. It does look kind of soft and almost chalky in contrast with the appearance of the rest of the tool. I would expect to see broken fractured rock, not smeared rock.

    I can’t quite tell without getting it into the sunlight with a magnifying glass. Something seems off.
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    Looks like a big meteorite ? that was used as a tool what a find that would be $
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