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    Found an unusual point today

    Found this point today not sure what it isClick image for larger version. 

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    Definitely cool and weird.

    Looks like someone from a later culture found it and re-notched it.
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    Looks like it had nice ears that got dinged off. Sweet anyway.
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    Looks like a first stage Lost Lake to me. A big shame about those ears.
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    Found an unusual point today

    That whole base looks odd to me but maybe it’s just the angle in the picture, kinda looks like one large removal for the entire base and one large removal to form each notch then just a few random small removals... maybe with the ears it would make sense
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    Decatur.
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    Need a close up of the breaks to make that determination, and usually the barbs, sides and bottom of the base are fractured in a Decatur. There should be a hinge on the notch side of those breaks, not just the barbs snapped off. I've seen Decaturs with only two fractures instead of six, but it's usually across the base, one inward from each side. Any fracturing on the base itself?
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    Sandchip I think you may be correct on Lost lake or kirk but here is some more photos. I thought Jacks Reef first but base ground and to big.Click image for larger version. 

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    Decatur.

    IMO.
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    I'll go with Kirk Corner Notched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uniface View Post
    Decatur.

    IMO.
    Yes, and Yes.
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    Those are not fractured barbs, just snapped off. Respectfully, I'm not seeing anything about that point that's right for a Decatur, size, notch depth/shape/angle, but that's just my opinion too, for what little it's worth.
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    Gross morphology is very variable with Decaturs.

    Bend-breaks in unlikely places and tranchet removals are visibly different.

    It's the knapping technique used to create the base bottom, and sometimes notches also, that define the type and distinguish it from its contemporaries & later CNs..

    FWIW
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    In addition to the points that I made, the area of distribution is somewhat removed from where willjo found his, not that that would alone discount the possibility of it being a Decatur, but it doesn't help, especially considering that the point has none of the typical characteristics of that type other than missing its barbs, coupled with the absence of the most important diagnostic feature of a base fractured by removal of two flakes inward across the base. I've only seen one Decatur from this area in my lifetime, roughly the same distance from the accepted area of distribution as willjo's, but it was correct in average size, it was serrated and beveled, but most importantly, it had the textbook fractured base. I value your comments as usual, but I'm afraid we'll just have to differ on this one, brother.
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