The Coconut Fibers are the Key to this hunt

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This is our story of how the Templars made the trip to Oak Island then to New Ross.
If I had the Greatest Treasure in the world and I was about to go on a journey to a new land and encounter many dangers and unknowen mystery's , I would have one BIG thought on my mind. How to get this treasure accross the ocean and not sink the ship.
The Templars had to use Viking Ships to make the journey because their ships were not built to travel in the oceans ( 1 ) . The Templar were involved for years in the transportation of goods across the Mediterranean Sea and they knew the best way to protect their cargo ( 1 ) . They used coconut fibers . Not only could they use it for packing but the fiber made the best ropes and nets and did not rot when used in salt water ( 4 ) The fiber did float so if enough was on board it could keep a ship from sinking ( 3 ).
In the 1960's more than 3 1/2 tons of coconut fibers were found in Smith Cove on Oak Island ( 5-6 ) . The fibers were 2 feet thick and found in a trench that ran 145 feet along the shore line of Smith Cove with flag stones over it. The carbon date of the fibers are from the 1300's time period ( 8 ). So their is no way this amount of fibers traveled to this area by its self and landed in a trench and covered its self , so man did bring this to this area. The coconut fibers had to be put in water for 10 months to 1 yr before they could use it for rope ( 2-3 ) .Who would bring this large amount to this Island to make rope? That much rope was not needed back then and their was no other need for the fiber . We all agree that somekind of value treasure was buried on Oak Island in the Money Pit and coconut fibers were found in the pit at 90 feet down and they could of been used as packing for the treasure in the Pit. So the fibers in Smith Cove has somekind of connection to the treasure in the Pit. The Micmac did not know anything about the use of the fibers but the Templars did .
I believe the Templars loaded over 5 tons of coconut fibers on board for packing the treasure and to keep the ship from sinking. When their journey was done they could still use the fiber to make rope so this fiber was like gold to them.
The ship sailed a long the Nova Scotia cost and we believe it turned over in a storm and the Templars stood on the belly of the ship. In Scott Walters Story it says the Micmac saw red hair men on the back of a whale come to their land. A Viking Ship turned over does look like a spirm whale ( 7 ). If the Bubonic Plague was aboard this ship the cold ice water would kill the rats and fleas that cause the Plague. If the ship made its way south to Manhoe Bay during the start of high tide, the ship would have been pulled into the bay . To land on the main land and not know who or what was waiting for them would of been crazy.
We believe they went to Hobson Island first then they made their way to the main land. . A Viking Cargo Ship was 54' long and could cary 25 tons of cargo. If this ship had that much cargo and it hit the island there would be major damage to the ship. The first thing they would do was to remove all of the cargo and get it to a better place close to main land. We believe they went to main land and build a raft to remove everything from Hobson Island. I believe they picked Oak Island because they needed to build a new ship and Oak Island had oak trees on it and the Island was close to main land and close to Hobson Island. They could use the High tide and Low tide to travel back and forth in the raft to remove all of the cargo. Before they could use the raft they had to test it with loads of rocks to see how much cargo it would cary. So every time they left Oak Island to return to Hobson they would load rocks on the raft and to the Micmac it would look like they were building a Island and in the Scott Wolters story it tells of the Micmac saying the red hair men built an Island.
The Vikings were known to bury their ships and on Hobson Island
we have located a pile of stones in the shape of a Viking Ship ( picture attached ) and the same length of a Viking Cargo Ship. It would be east for them to dig a hole big enough to bury the ship because the Island was made up of sand 20 feet high. If they put the ship in a big hole they would of filled some of the ship up with stones to keep it held down. Smaller stones from Hobson shore and stones from Oak Island could of been used. The sea water is higher now and with the stones removed from the shore the sandy Island washed away and the stones that were put in the ship are easy to see now. 90% of Hobson Island is gone now but in 1970 there was a Light House still on it. Before they left Hobson I believe they put oak trees on the Island like flag poles to attach flags to let the other ships know where they were . Again in Scotts Story the Micmac say the red hair men planted trees on the island and if they placed one or more oak flag poles there it would look like they planted trees.To plant something you dig a hole and put something in it . To plant a small tree or a big tree or a flag pole is how the Micmac would see this.
We have located a V carving on a large bolder on Hobson Island ( picture attached ) and other stone carvings. We beleve the Templars put large stones on the sandy shore in the same pattern as the islands between Hobson and Oak to show were they went to .
We call this lay out of stones the Rock Map ( picture attached ) We hope to see if these stones have any carvings on them before the film crew shows up. There is a story from the area that in 1830 some Treasure Hunters removed a object from Hobson Island ( Story Attached ) and it was believed to be the stone that was to show were Oak Island was located among the other stones on the sandy shore. This stone could of had a great deal of info on it for the Treasure Hunters to take it. I don't think the info would show the location of the treasure but to show were they went up Gold River to The Cross or New Ross. This stone should be over 16" thick.
They did not know who or what was waiting for them on the main land so the first thing they did on Oak Island was to hide the treasure and build housing. To build a ship would take time so they knew they were on this island for some time, thats why they place the coconut fibers in Smith Cove. To dig a trench 145 feet along the shore line and to place tons of coconut fibers in it would of taken a lot of work. So they did plan to use the fibers again either as packing or rope, but no one removed the fibers so what happen to the Templars in the 1 yr period. Once they got to know and trust the Micmac Indians they would of moved off the island to a better place. In Europe and in Jerusalem the religous buildings were built on the highest land in the area to get closer to god. The church was also built higher than any other building in the area. So if the Templars had the worlds best treasure I would think they would pick a place on the main land that was high. New Ross is on the second highest mountain in Nova Scotia. Gold River is close to Oak Island and it runs up to New Ross to were the Castle was built.
Once they built a long log house and started to build the castle they would of moved the treasure just before whinter.
After they remove the treasure from the Money Pit they would of filled the Pit in . To leave the pit open would show they had something of value buried there.
Now at this point the only solid proof we have is 3 1/2 tons of coconut fibers on Oak Island . The fibers where used for packing and placed there by man . Something of value was in the Money Pit then removed and the Pit was filled in. Coconut fibers were found in the Money Pit and at Smith Cove and the carbon dates are the same . The coconut fibers should of been removed from the trench after 1 yr but they stayed there so what happen to the people that put the fibers there. If the treasure left the area by ship they would of taken the coconut fibers for packing and to keep the ship safe.
So the Treasure is still in the area.
The info we have below is all our new info.
1, The ship shape pile of stones.
2, The V carving on the big rock.
3, The stone map ( The Rock Map ).
4, The idea of the ship turned over and looked like a whale.
5, The tons of coconut fibers were used as packing and to keep the ship from sinking.
6, The 1360's coconut fibers were put in Smith Cove for 1yr. to make it ready for rope.
The entire story is our's and its new , we used info from other sources to help prove our story.
In each ( ) you will see a number and I have provided pages of info with numbers to help prove that part of the story.
 

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We just got back from Nova Scotia after filming from Oct 1st to 6th for the History Channel on what Happen to the Templars and the Treasure. The show will air in Feb on a new series called America Unearthed by Scott Wolters on H2 and History Channel . We took the film crew on the same route that we believe they took. Check it out in Feb on History Channel H2.
 

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Finders Keepers is planing to return to Nova Scotia before it snows to finish our hunt for the Templar Treasure . In the TV show there is little talk about the coconut fibers and this is big in the hunt for the Treasure. If there was 3 1/2 tons of fibers found in Smith Cove on Oak Island and the same fibers were found in the Money Pit then who ever buried a treasure in the Pit brought the fibers to Oak Island and why bring 3 1/2 tons of fiber to this area???? The answer is simple. Packing. They had to have something of great value on the ship to be willing to bring 4 tons of fibers on board when food and water was more important. If the fibers were carbon dated to be from the 1300's then there is a good chance the fibers were brought there by the Templars. The Templars used the fibers for years for packing and they had plenty of fibers at the time this took place. The fibers were placed at Smith Cove in a trench to make it ready for rope and not for flood tunnels. No one has ever found any kind of flood tunnel but they keep looking for them when the answer is simple. If the fibers were used for packing and they are still there so is the Treasure. What would you do if you had the worlds best Treasure and you were headed out over the ocean . Would you take 4 tons of fibers or food and water. If you still think they brought the fibers to build flood tunnels then keep digging on Oak Island while we look for the treasure on main land and lets see who is right. The news paper shows the drill rig we used in Oct during our hunt and some of our crew . We will be able to tell you more about the Hunt after the TV show airs in Feb. on History Channel II .
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Yes I believe, but it cost too much money to dig up the treasures with all that damn water. #1 has a great story.
 

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This is our story of how the Templars made the trip to Oak Island then to New Ross.
If I had the Greatest Treasure in the world and I was about to go on a journey to a new land and encounter many dangers and unknowen mystery's , I would have one BIG thought on my mind. How to get this treasure accross the ocean and not sink the ship.
The Templars had to use Viking Ships to make the journey because their ships were not built to travel in the oceans ( 1 ) . The Templar were involved for years in the transportation of goods across the Mediterranean Sea and they knew the best way to protect their cargo ( 1 ) . They used coconut fibers . Not only could they use it for packing but the fiber made the best ropes and nets and did not rot when used in salt water ( 4 ) The fiber did float so if enough was on board it could keep a ship from sinking ( 3 ).
In the 1960's more than 3 1/2 tons of coconut fibers were found in Smith Cove on Oak Island ( 5-6 ) . The fibers were 2 feet thick and found in a trench that ran 145 feet along the shore line of Smith Cove with flag stones over it. The carbon date of the fibers are from the 1300's time period ( 8 ). So their is no way this amount of fibers traveled to this area by its self and landed in a trench and covered its self , so man did bring this to this area. The coconut fibers had to be put in water for 10 months to 1 yr before they could use it for rope ( 2-3 ) .Who would bring this large amount to this Island to make rope? That much rope was not needed back then and their was no other need for the fiber . We all agree that somekind of value treasure was buried on Oak Island in the Money Pit and coconut fibers were found in the pit at 90 feet down and they could of been used as packing for the treasure in the Pit. So the fibers in Smith Cove has somekind of connection to the treasure in the Pit. The Micmac did not know anything about the use of the fibers but the Templars did .
I believe the Templars loaded over 5 tons of coconut fibers on board for packing the treasure and to keep the ship from sinking. When their journey was done they could still use the fiber to make rope so this fiber was like gold to them.
The ship sailed a long the Nova Scotia cost and we believe it turned over in a storm and the Templars stood on the belly of the ship. In Scott Walters Story it says the Micmac saw red hair men on the back of a whale come to their land. A Viking Ship turned over does look like a spirm whale ( 7 ). If the Bubonic Plague was aboard this ship the cold ice water would kill the rats and fleas that cause the Plague. If the ship made its way south to Manhoe Bay during the start of high tide, the ship would have been pulled into the bay . To land on the main land and not know who or what was waiting for them would of been crazy.
We believe they went to Hobson Island first then they made their way to the main land. . A Viking Cargo Ship was 54' long and could cary 25 tons of cargo. If this ship had that much cargo and it hit the island there would be major damage to the ship. The first thing they would do was to remove all of the cargo and get it to a better place close to main land. We believe they went to main land and build a raft to remove everything from Hobson Island. I believe they picked Oak Island because they needed to build a new ship and Oak Island had oak trees on it and the Island was close to main land and close to Hobson Island. They could use the High tide and Low tide to travel back and forth in the raft to remove all of the cargo. Before they could use the raft they had to test it with loads of rocks to see how much cargo it would cary. So every time they left Oak Island to return to Hobson they would load rocks on the raft and to the Micmac it would look like they were building a Island and in the Scott Wolters story it tells of the Micmac saying the red hair men built an Island.
The Vikings were known to bury their ships and on Hobson Island
we have located a pile of stones in the shape of a Viking Ship ( picture attached ) and the same length of a Viking Cargo Ship. It would be east for them to dig a hole big enough to bury the ship because the Island was made up of sand 20 feet high. If they put the ship in a big hole they would of filled some of the ship up with stones to keep it held down. Smaller stones from Hobson shore and stones from Oak Island could of been used. The sea water is higher now and with the stones removed from the shore the sandy Island washed away and the stones that were put in the ship are easy to see now. 90% of Hobson Island is gone now but in 1970 there was a Light House still on it. Before they left Hobson I believe they put oak trees on the Island like flag poles to attach flags to let the other ships know where they were . Again in Scotts Story the Micmac say the red hair men planted trees on the island and if they placed one or more oak flag poles there it would look like they planted trees.To plant something you dig a hole and put something in it . To plant a small tree or a big tree or a flag pole is how the Micmac would see this.
We have located a V carving on a large bolder on Hobson Island ( picture attached ) and other stone carvings. We beleve the Templars put large stones on the sandy shore in the same pattern as the islands between Hobson and Oak to show were they went to .
We call this lay out of stones the Rock Map ( picture attached ) We hope to see if these stones have any carvings on them before the film crew shows up. There is a story from the area that in 1830 some Treasure Hunters removed a object from Hobson Island ( Story Attached ) and it was believed to be the stone that was to show were Oak Island was located among the other stones on the sandy shore. This stone could of had a great deal of info on it for the Treasure Hunters to take it. I don't think the info would show the location of the treasure but to show were they went up Gold River to The Cross or New Ross. This stone should be over 16" thick.
They did not know who or what was waiting for them on the main land so the first thing they did on Oak Island was to hide the treasure and build housing. To build a ship would take time so they knew they were on this island for some time, thats why they place the coconut fibers in Smith Cove. To dig a trench 145 feet along the shore line and to place tons of coconut fibers in it would of taken a lot of work. So they did plan to use the fibers again either as packing or rope, but no one removed the fibers so what happen to the Templars in the 1 yr period. Once they got to know and trust the Micmac Indians they would of moved off the island to a better place. In Europe and in Jerusalem the religous buildings were built on the highest land in the area to get closer to god. The church was also built higher than any other building in the area. So if the Templars had the worlds best treasure I would think they would pick a place on the main land that was high. New Ross is on the second highest mountain in Nova Scotia. Gold River is close to Oak Island and it runs up to New Ross to were the Castle was built.
Once they built a long log house and started to build the castle they would of moved the treasure just before whinter.
After they remove the treasure from the Money Pit they would of filled the Pit in . To leave the pit open would show they had something of value buried there.
Now at this point the only solid proof we have is 3 1/2 tons of coconut fibers on Oak Island . The fibers where used for packing and placed there by man . Something of value was in the Money Pit then removed and the Pit was filled in. Coconut fibers were found in the Money Pit and at Smith Cove and the carbon dates are the same . The coconut fibers should of been removed from the trench after 1 yr but they stayed there so what happen to the people that put the fibers there. If the treasure left the area by ship they would of taken the coconut fibers for packing and to keep the ship safe.
So the Treasure is still in the area.
The info we have below is all our new info.
1, The ship shape pile of stones.
2, The V carving on the big rock.
3, The stone map ( The Rock Map ).
4, The idea of the ship turned over and looked like a whale.
5, The tons of coconut fibers were used as packing and to keep the ship from sinking.
6, The 1360's coconut fibers were put in Smith Cove for 1yr. to make it ready for rope.
The entire story is our's and its new , we used info from other sources to help prove our story.
In each ( ) you will see a number and I have provided pages of info with numbers to help prove that part of the story.

Time to revive this thread! The fibers date to the 1300-1400s!
 

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What a fascinating research project. I am sorry if I missed it but is the lost treasure thought to be on land or submerged. There are a number of well funded professional under water treasure hunters. Have any of them contacted you with interest?
 

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I am not sure where the treasure is but its not on Oak Island anymore . We are checking the New Ross,NS Castle site for metals underground but that land has everything in it to hide any readings from most metal detecting equipment. They use sound waves to locate metals and map underground in Nova Scotia. We located a company to do the job but at $15,000 for a 3 day job it just wasn't worth it at the time. We have been back to the site trying out other equipment with no luck and on our next trip we may spend the money to have it done right. If nothing is there that will suck. But we will never know if anything is there until its done right.

My story may have its flaws but its a new look at what happen in the Oak Island area. I just hope over time I can prove some of what I think happen and others will add to it.
 

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I could pick this apart, but I won't. Doing so would waste all of our time and would ultimately change nothing. Let it be known that I'm less than convinced about the coconut fibers for a variety of reasons. I'm willing to address this in detail if someone really wants me to, but it will be long, it will be dry, and again, it won't change anything.

I'm not a believer, but I'm speaking honestly when I say that I really do hope that FinderKeeper finds what he's looking for. This is one thing that I'd love to be wrong about.
 

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Just to keep an open mind, coconuts do float, and can cross oceans. A big mess of coconuts may have been pushed along by a hurricane back then. :dontknow:

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I could pick this apart, but I won't. Doing so would waste all of our time and would ultimately change nothing. Let it be known that I'm less than convinced about the coconut fibers for a variety of reasons. I'm willing to address this in detail if someone really wants me to, but it will be long, it will be dry, and again, it won't change anything.

I'm not a believer, but I'm speaking honestly when I say that I really do hope that FinderKeeper finds what he's looking for. This is one thing that I'd love to be wrong about.


Would love to hear your theory.
 

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Would love to hear your theory.

I touched on it in the other thread, but in briefly:

1. Radiocarbon dating is not 100% accurate, particularly with regard to things that have been under water for a while. There's an error that's known now, but wasn't known 50 years ago. Even when conditions are perfect, it's still not 100%.
2. I'm not convinced that coir, when exposed to shallow seawater at these temperatures for the better part of 1,000 years, will be recognizable as anything but compost.
3. Assuming that everything else checks out, we don't know when the fibers arrived at the island - we only know approximately when they were harvested.
4. Assuming that we somehow resolve all of the above questions, we also don't know how the fibers arrived at the island. It's possible that this happened naturally.
5. Where in the heck are all these fibers, anyway? There are supposed to be tons of them. Heavy machinery is on site. Why no "group pictures," so to speak? I'd figure that an hour with a backhoe would at least make it clear that we're dealing with an abnormally abundant quantity of fibers in a place where coconuts don't grow.

The fibers raise more questions than they answer at this point. Folks with the kind of money necessary to make a solid attempt at a successful recovery can afford to put at least a few of these questions to rest, or at least attempt to answer them, but none of them ever do.

If you're asking about my theory of the Money Pit itself, I think that it's a fabrication. McGinnis's story is garbage, and it all begins with his story. If we discard his story, there was never any reason for anyone to begin digging in the first place. Either McGinnis perpetrated a hoax, or else he'd heard one too many pirate stories and his imagination got the better of him. We'll never know what his motivation was.
 

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Discarding all the items found within the Money Pit, it is still hard to discount a key piece of evidence as proof to who may have built it. That evidence lies with the use of the Coconut Fiber found within the Main Shaft and Flood Tunnels
My theory for “The (Untold) Story of the Oak Island Money Pit” does not support the carbon dating of the Coconut Fiber to be between 1260ad and 1400ad, with 1330ad being between those dates
This time frame has led to many earlier dated theories of Vikings, Knight Templars, and Druids with all of them using the Coconut Fiber for their construction during this time period.
Investigating into the history of the Coconut Tree shows that although it originated in Malaysia during the latter 1200ad, it did not cross over to Africa, Europe, South and Central America until mid-1550ad with the Coconut Fiber not available for use until the latter 1600’s.
Coconut - Seeds of Trade
Unless the Vikings portaged their ships to the Pacific Ocean, the use of Coconut Fiber was not accessible to them
It is interesting that the “Free Masons” choice and use of Coconut Fiber was by no means an accident, as the coir fiber is relatively waterproof, and is one of the few natural fibers resistant to damage by saltwater. By bonding Coconut Fiber with clay and ash (from the burning of their ships), they produced a strong sealant which would last a very long time.
I would like to call for a more recent carbon dating to be done on the found Coconut Fibers
 

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There's no doubt in the carbon dating......if it says the trees were from back then, well we should hold that as a standard for when the tree was planted......as carbon dating shows this all based on decay of the carbon atoms......from its original cells

so the tree has been decaying that long and so has it's coconuts, year after year AFTER they are first planted, so the coconuts 250 years later have the same genetics

this only means that the tree was from around that time......it could have been from a bunch of old trees, and they could have been harvested later in the life of the tree.

it does not tell you the fibers could have been harvested in the late 1500's -1700's , it merely tells you how long they have been decaying since the original carbon material in the cells was formed as a husk

If I took an old newspaper and write something on it 100 years later, then buried it for 2000 yrs,,,,,

the carbon dating would only tell me when the paper was put together from the pulp, not when the document was buried

the same applies here, the coconut fiber could have been around for years and reused, until it was collected for this one use, giving a much earlier date than the date of its burial in the Smith Cove....

the only thing that makes the dating to the cove symbolic was the Roman Numerals used......so we KNOW that it was dug and the cove was made was after Rome was built, and that it probably came from the Spanish and their use of Roman Numerals.....

Vikings didnt use these numbers...they used the runes and scratched bundles

....the Sinclairs didnt use these numbers......they used 1234567890, they were english speaking

the Spanish are the ones who would have more access to Coconuts, and were more likely to be trading in these areas throughout the times we are talking here.....

there were spanish coins, a spanish pair of scissors, and a spanish boot if not mistaken, found so far

and there are other locators not examined for their carvings to be added.....

but this is clear there were Spanish there working, the Sinclairs were old travelers there, and the Masons probably hid their conquest of Cuba there as well as robot says....

these are all fitting and to think one nation is the only nation to come through here would be absurd, they just all had different ideas of the area and how it looked
 

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Eldo, Christianity and Latin and Roman numerals went hand in hand. Roman numerals were in general use in documents and inscriptions well into 17th century. 123 are Arabic numerals, not English.u
 

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How 14th Century Fiber and 18th Century Items could be Compatible

Yes, the argument of the Coconut Fiber carbon dating has been a stumbling block with my theory.

All the wood samples carbon dated support my theory's 18th Century time period.
All the items found on the island support my theory's 18th Century time period.

But how could 2 or maybe 3 carbon testings’ (if the Lagina brothers claim to having done one) all arrive with the 14th century as the probable date for this fiber?

It was not until I reread R.V. Harris’s letter August 19th, 1966 where he presumed the massive amount of Coconut Fiber came from the West Indies that I realized I had overlooked another possibility.

This was the probability that these Coconut Fibers did indeed come from the West Indies and not from the Caribbean and Central America.

Where I was wrong was in presuming that in the 18th century there was an industry in the Caribbean and Central America producing Coconut Fibers and these Fibers came from this part of the World.

It makes more sense that the Coconut Fiber Industry was only in Malaysia.

Spanish ships from the West Indies would cart supplies and trade to Havana and off load and store this packing material prior to taking the gold shipments back to Spain.

The Keppels would have had boat loads of this material stored at Havana, readily available for their plans at Oak Island.

This allows for the carbon dating of the Coconut Fibers to be 14th Century, while all other stated items found (Wood Pieces and Wood Platforms, Block and Tackle, Cornish Poll-Pick, Ax, Scissors, Shoe, Parchment Paper, Ruler, Anchor Flute, Nails, Metal Fragments, Chain and Boatswain Whistle) to be compatible with the 18th Century, and conform with the Freemasons as builders of The Money Pit at Oak Island.

This allows for the Scientist who documented the history of the Coconut Seed to be correct in that although the Coconut Tree arrived in the Caribbean during the 16th Century there was not a flourishing Coconut Fiber Industry outside of Malaysia prior to the 1700's ad.

This theory would still disqualify Vikings, Knights Templar and Druids as possible builders, as they did not have access to this quantity of fibers in their time period from the West Indies.
 

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It's POSSIBLE, that SOME "sites" have been "salted" with OOPS! "items". "OOPS!" means OUT OF PLACE STUFF; it would "mess Up" CARBON DATING of various "items".
 

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