Jan 08, 2014, 02:47 PM
All the episodes were filmed long ago. If ANYTHING had been found, it would already be public, so no, I don't foresee them finding anything except more nebulous clues.
Jan 08, 2014, 03:07 PM
I say true, HOWEVER, the History Channel COULD have had an airtight non-disclosure contract with everyone involved. If so it is plausible that a big find was made and nobody has talked. But...I'm sure the history channel would have let it leak just before airing the show for the publicity. OR did they air it so close after the new year in 2014 because the contact said it would air in 2014 and they wanted to show it asap before anything DID leak.
Originally Posted by Jason in Enid
If CBS can keep the winner of survivor a secret I'm sure they can keep already secretive treasure hunters bundled up for 6 months. : )
Jan 08, 2014, 04:29 PM
Its the same with that guy who is claiming he found the Lost Adam's diggings, but can't show us the gold because he claims its coming out on a new show. Yea right! I think its treasureforce.
Originally Posted by Jason in Enid
Jan 08, 2014, 08:13 PM
As long as it's not another fiasco like Geraldo Rivera opening Al Capone's vault, it's okay.
Rediscovered! Last Assault on Oak Island
Room of Fire
Jan 08, 2014, 08:44 PM
Burying some thing 200 years a ago? Didn't some one bury something under a billion pounds of stone 8000 years ago? And with todays knowledge we couldn't duplicate it.
Originally Posted by cudamark
Jan 09, 2014, 12:02 AM
Who buries a treasure and never intends to dig it up? Assuming some Middle Ages pirate actually buried a treasure at the Oak Island hidey-hole, he surely intended to take possession of it at some point in the future (unless he died unexpectedly). A smart pirate would be concerned that eventually someone would try to dig it up- so it was buried with booby traps. When the pirate returned for his treasure, he would see that his booby-traps had been activated. The smart pirate would have had another way to access his buried treasure... using Middle Ages technology!
Jan 09, 2014, 05:15 AM
As I said earlier, the story has more holes in it than the island does. There is no logical reason to bury something that deep.
Layers of logs and stones with runes on them in the hole only make sense to someone who's convinced that something is down there. For those not quite so convinced, they make no sense at all. I consider this to be an important piece of evidence on its own.
McGinnis supposedly found a block and tackle above the site. Why would someone leave that behind? It would make a bit of sense if someone had already come by and removed the treasure ("We won't be needing this anymore, just leave it up there...") but then again, why bother filling the hole in afterward? And how long does something like that last out in the elements?
And then we add in the time factor. McGinnis started digging there (probably) a long time ago. Stories change over hours; they change more over centuries. The location of the original hole is no longer documented, if in fact it ever was. I would not be the list bit surprised if it turned out that everyone was digging up the wrong island entirely.
This one's a great story, but that's all it is - a story.
Jan 09, 2014, 09:16 AM
Say it's 250 years ago and you had an artifact that you didn't want to destroy, but wanted to make sure nobody would be able to find or recover it for a thousand years. I think you'd have a couple options.
1. Send it down to Davy Jones Locker: The issue is, without exact coordinates you'll truly never find it again and really it'll be at the bottom of the sea and not buried. You won't actually know that it's secure down there, just that you don't have it anymore. You would have known about deep sea pressures...perhaps hiding it there would destroy it which is the last thing you want.
2. Bury it very very deep: Bury it in a new world that has yet to be explored. Bury it as deeply as you can, setup booby traps to fill the hole with water if attempted to be dug up incorrectly. Keep its location hidden to only those in an inner circle and leave clues for the future generations when you want it to be found.
I think my favorite ideas are the ones where the Crusaders were looking for a place to hide the Ark or the Grail after returning to Europe. Those would be two things you would not want to destroy, but not want to fall in the wrong hands or by anyone really. If it was the 14th or 15th century Oak Island would be about as remote and unheard of location as possible to reach.
What other ideas do you guys have for where you could hide something for 1000 years and not destroy it?
Jan 09, 2014, 09:25 AM
Its possible the block and tackle were being used to remove logs and was a previous abandoned attempt to dig up the treasure, not place it. Pure speculation of course.
Originally Posted by Dave Rishar
Jan 09, 2014, 09:42 AM
Block and tackle could mean the burying was interrupted or the hiders had to hurry away. Anyone smart enough to design the Money Pit would know that settling would occur and fill up the top mounded high. A depression, as McGinnis found, and tackle would scream attention to anyone passing by.
If you were aware of the waterways underground feeding and boobytrapping the pit, you would know to block them by shutting them off somewhere else, like digging straight down on top of one from another location. With the boobytraps blocked, you could dig another hole closer to the pit, descend, and walk the empty waterway to the pit to where you buried your stash.
Rediscovered! Last Assault on Oak Island
Room of Fire
Jan 09, 2014, 10:00 PM
Hi All, They where still filming the show in June 2013 when we where in New Ross, NS at the Templar Castle site. They called the land owner of the site to see if we wanted to be on the show and we turned them down. We had hired equipment for a major dig at our site and we had a lot to do in the 3 days. I do believe the Money Pit was dug down to 90' and thats it. The clay in parts of Nova Scotia is deep from the ice age. Hobson Island was all clay and it was 26' high with a light house, its all gone now, Our site in New Ross has 120' of clay and its the highest grade of clay ever found in Nova Scotia. At our site we dug down 15' with a large 3' bucket and the walls stayed and did not cave in. We dug 6' from the well and the clay was dry. Ya every one took pictures of the dig. The hole was 12' by 15' and the walls stayed and no water. So I am sure if they had clay on Oak Island it would be easy to dig 90'. But I do not believe in man made tunnels. If the newer diggers went lower into bedrock then yes it would fill up with water from cracks in the bedrock but no one talks about hitting bedrock. Even at 200'down no one talks about bedrock, maybe Oak Island has more than 200' of clay under it . I hope they would stop at bedrock and bring this to a end. The Money Pit is a simple hole dug and many added their storys to make it the way it is. I still like the show and we plan to return to New Ross in the spring and do more digging and drilling.
Last edited by FinderKeeper; Jan 10, 2014 at 06:05 PM.
Jan 10, 2014, 04:35 AM
The people doing the burying being frightened off: not hardly. If they had time to throw the last few shovels of earth in, they had time to grab the block and tackle and throw it in the woods. Besides, nearly every theory regarding what's down there implies that the "treasure" had been buried for some time before McGinnis found it. McGinnis also reportedly saw lights at the island the night before; had something been buried 200 feet down within sight of his house during his life, I'm quite sure that someone would have noticed - a hole like that is not constructed over night. I think it's safe to assume that if something was buried there, it happened before the McGinnis family was in the area, meaning that they weren't the ones that left the block and tackle behind, as it would've rotted into garbage within a few years.
People recovering treasure? No. He saw lights the night before; that's what got him over there to check it out. It does not take all night to set up a block and tackle. It takes more than one night to excavate a 200 foot hole, retrieve something from the bottom, and then fill the hole in again. (And why fill it in again? This is retrieving a treasure from the wilderness, not coinshooting in the city park. Screw filling holes, especially one that deep. And where did they put all that dirt while the hole was open? Red flag after red flag.)
Was it flooded by booby traps? Were there even drains to begin with? Appendix --Woods Hole Explores Oak Island Questionable evidence to be sure, but tales told 150 years ago by folks with a vested interest in the project are also questionable. We can't know for sure what Woods Hole found, but it would be in Triton's best interests to make a favorable report public; a thumbs-up from a third party would undoubtedly attract investment. An unfavorable report, on the other hand...yeah, I wouldn't want to make that public knowledge either.
But, let's assume that all of this silliness is true. We've located the original shaft. There are tunnels flooding it. This is not one of the many sinkholes in the area, but is actually man-made. Someone buried something 200 feet deep there. The block and tackle was left by someone else, or McGinnis fabricated it - in fact, let's disregard McGinnis entirely, and the story basically falls apart at him. Let's assume the best possible scenario for the folks who think that something is actually buried down there. My questions are:
1. Why the layers of logs, charcoal, etc? If the hole is being dug by someone who is supposed to be able to digging it, they need maybe one small indicator to let them know that they're on the right spot. They don't need a reminder every ten feet. This is extra work for no benefit and might actually alert someone who isn't supposed to be digging it (*cough* McGinnis *cough*) that they're digging on a good site.
2. Why bury a stone with runes carved in it? Again, an authorized digger knows that he's digging the right site. Someone who can't read the runes will simply become more interested in what might be further down, or nearby.
3. Why is it that a stone with runes carved in it comes up every time a shaft is sunk? (That's actually an easy one.) Am I supposed to believe that someone traversed the Atlantic to dig this massive engineering project, and then spend more time burying carved stones and logs all over the place?
The closer that one studies this, the worse that it stinks. And the McGinnis story stunk pretty badly to start with.
Like FinderKeeper, I'll watch the show. (I did watch the first one.) I like treasure legends just as much as the next person does. I'll go one further and state that I truly hope that someone finds something down there that turns history on its head and shakes up the world, or at least our corner of it. I also hope that we can achieve world peace at some point. I don't expect either thing to happen in my lifetime, but this doesn't prevent me from hoping for the things I want, and if I can't have the things that I want, I'll settle for understanding why I can't have them.
Jan 10, 2014, 05:10 AM
Jan 10, 2014, 06:34 PM
I feel the logs where put at every ten feet because these where storage rooms for the Templar Treasure. Ya the ship they had could hold 25 tons of cargo or 25 tons of treasure. There is no way to put the enitre Templar Treasure at the bottom of the money pit unless you fill one room at a time and use coconut fibers to pack some artifacts. If you placed the entire treasure on top of its self it would crush everything down below. No I still believe this hole did hold the Templar Treasure but its gone. Then why fill in the hole and leave the pully . Well if anyone came to Oak Island to get the treasure this would be a great place to keep them bussy digging while the treasure is at another site on land . It worked.
I have posted our story on this site of how the 5 tons of coconut fibers made it to Oak Island but Scott Wolters didn't have time to put it on the TV show. My story works. 5 tons of coconut fibers did not just float to Smith Cove and dig a trench and cover them selves with flag stone.
Last edited by FinderKeeper; Jan 10, 2014 at 10:18 PM.
Jan 11, 2014, 06:20 AM
So wait...they came and buried the treasure, then someone came along later and dug it all up, then they moved it to another site (even though nobody had found it, or ever would if they hadn't left clues that it was there), but left clues that something might be there? In the late 18th century? After burying the treasure here because nobody would look for it, they're going to leave a clue that treasure is buried somewhere, thereby getting people who wouldn't normally be digging holes to look for holes to dig? Does this make any kind of sense at all? Seriously?
This brings up yet another problem with this story - that in a lot of these theories, the various explanations for illogical situations contradict one another. We could devote an entire thread to that alone, and probably should at some point. Maybe someone already has.
Also, what Templar treasure? The vast amounts of real estate that they'd purchased, or the loans that they'd made? Perhaps the relics that were confiscated? I'll admit that not all of their wealth was tied up in various investments, but a lot of it was - that's how they became wealthy in the first place. We know where all of that went. What was left and wasn't stolen by local authorities probably wasn't as much as some seem to think that it was. This is also contingent upon Templars making it to the new world, which is far from proven and likely won't ever be. It is possible, I'll give you that, but the evidence does not back up the theory at this time.
If you're talking about some OTHER treasure...hey, I don't know everything. Nobody does and nobody ever will. I have been proven wrong before and I'm sure that it will happen again, but I'd like to think that I'm a logical man and when I'm dealing with a situation with a lot of unknowns, I pick the simplest answer and I'm usually correct. The simplest answer for what happened to the Templars is the generally-accepted historical version of events, and barring extraordinary evidence to the contrary, that's the version that I'll choose to believe. It's not like they burned every Templar at the stake. After the leadership was terminated, most of the rank-and-file guys walked. Some even went on to other knightly orders. And make no mistake about it, Philip IV tortured the hell out of these guys, to the point where most of his victims were saying whatever he wanted them to say; I would be very, very, very surprised if there was a significant treasure trove lying around that he didn't know about by the end of the whole ordeal, and if someone had talked about it, he would have sent someone to get it. And someone would have talked about it. We're not talking about stress positions and waterboarding here; they really tortured you back then. I won't go into the specifics, but everybody sang (guilty or not, including the senior management) for a reason, and these were some pretty hardcore guys that did the singing. No one can stand up to that sort of punishment for any length of time.
No, I don't believe that there is a treasure...at least, not some 25-ton goliath that made it across the Atlantic.
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