I believe i found the reason for the pit on Oak Island and it wasnt for treasure.

[HenryWaltonJonesJr]

Interestingly during the "Curse of Oak Island" show they also did find a wooden "tusk" protruding out of the cove at low tide. This can work with the repair theory that there were many more and were used as caissons to support rolling or holding a ship for repair.

 

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

OK. OK. I'll revise my wild theory a bit. There were two ships, one badly needed repairs so it was grounded, the ballast stones removed, then when it was considered impossible to repair -hull porous due the worms? it was decided to abandon it.

So the treasure that it was carrying was deposited in a deep hole, and the abandoned ship's wood was used to reinforce the hole or to create work platforms. Eventually only one ship sailed away

Interesting OK Dave, logical?

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Dave Rishar]

Hola, Don Jose.

Yes, it's logical, but only if we accept that something valuable was buried there in the first place - which at this point, I do not. Eliminate the second sentence and I have no way to disprove this to a reasonable degree. I'm not sure about the ballast stones though. Removing them would have made the ship a bit easier to tip over, but it's my understanding that a complete deballasting was not necessary to careen a ship. Admittedly I'm hardly an expert in the field, as my sailing days began and ended long after careening would have been an issue for me. (I can say from experience though that humping large amounts of material on to or off from a ship without crane and rigger support makes for a very long day(s), and is one of the many things that I do not miss about that job.)

It could have even been a single ship that never left. Some of the tribes in that area have stories about what were probably Europeans possibly getting stranded there, no? Most tribals had a very abstract concept of time; they understood the changing of the seasons and day and night well enough, but that was about it; dates (and thus exact numbers of years) were unimportant to basic existence. "Back in the day" could mean two generations or twenty generations earlier. Everybody assumes that stories like this refer to something exciting like Vikings or Chinese explorers or whatnot, but it could have very well been some unfortunate fishermen who wound up stuck and, being sailors and fishermen but not necessarily shipwrights, were unable to build something suitable to take them home again and simply faded into the local population.

The stories indicate that the foreigners rode in on a whale, right? Or am I mixing my legends up again? I only ask because a ship in the water doesn't really look like a whale, but a beached ship laying on its side does, sort of. I could imagine a person who knew what a dead whale looked like, but not a ship, to use that analogy when attempting to describe what they'd seen to others.

Again, for the record, this is not my official position. I'm just throwing ideas (and rather half-hearted ideas at that) out there. My official position is that there is no treasure, there was no ship, and there is no artificial beach. Apologies if I mixed up legends in the process.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

G'd morning Dave, so I shall restate my story which is not necisarily what I believe. You posted ->(and rather half-hearted ideas at that) <-- that cost you a cuppa of hot coffee.

Two pirate ships came up the coast bound for ? One was particularily damaged by marine worms. a shallow channel was dug in this case to take advantageof the higer tides in the area and the ship was moved into it. When the tide went out they blocked the entrance, the ship was careened, i

Unfortunately it was found that the Marine Worm damage to be too far gone to repair there so it was stripped of it;s cargo, most of which went to the surviving ship. But to accept this over load it was necessary to lighten the ship by hiding the combined cargos of Loot, so it was decided to bury it,

They used sections of the to be abandoned ship to form platfroms etc. as they dug deeper.. Eventually it was finishde and they sailed off.

However I cannot explain easily why the salvors weeren't awash with artfact from the abandoned ship, unless a specific efort was made tohide any evidence.

K, enough day dreaming for this morning, back to my lost Jesuit mine hunting..

Possibly the loot was from the sacking of Panama ?? This could explain the unusual amount of Coconut fibre packing. Somehitng that could be too easily identified, so it had to be buried for a while or melted down.

Don Jose de La Manchas

 

[Dave Rishar]

G'd morning Dave, so I shall restate my story which is not necisarily what I believe. You posted ->(and rather half-hearted ideas at that) <-- that cost you a cuppa of hot coffee.

Just as well. I was in a yerba mate mood today. My "half-hearted" comment was because I don't believe in a treasure being there, so I cannot wholeheartedly give a theory for how a treasure got there. I can speculate, but I don't feel that there is enough evidence available to support an actual theory. I actually do have a theory for how this whole mess got started and why it's continued for so long, but it's hardly an original one. I'm in no way implying that I'm not taking this discussion seriously. I no longer take the legend seriously, but the discussion of it is another matter.

However I cannot explain easily why the salvors weeren't awash with artfact from the abandoned ship, unless a specific efort was made tohide any evidence.

If they went through that much trouble to hide the evidence, I suspect that they would have taken the block and tackle with them.

This is why I can't take this legend seriously, Don Jose...not only does the entire basic theory of a buried treasure there not make sense, but almost every single element of the story doesn't make sense either, beginning with the very first part of it - the part that got someone digging there in the first place.

Possibly the loot was from the sacking of Panama ?? This could explain the unusual amount of Coconut fibre packing. Somehitng that could be too easily identified, so it had to be buried for a while or melted down.

I'm not qualified to speculate on where such a treasure would have come from, nor do I believe that it exists. However, if you were to put a gun against my head (or threaten to cut off my coffee supply permanently) and force me to choose one, I would guess that it would be something like what you're thinking - precious metals and/or gems from the New World. This makes a lot more sense than religious artifacts, alien spacecraft, or proof that Shakespeare didn't author his plays in any event.

But man, I'm just not seeing it. It's an uninhabited island out in the middle of nowhere. A hole ten feet deep would have been just as effective as a hole 500 feet deep in preventing someone from finding what's there, and a smaller hole would have taken less labor and less time, and thus run less of a chance of someone happening by while it was being dug. I'm reminded of a quote from Nicky Santoro (played by Joe Pesci) in the film Casino: "A lot of holes in the desert, and a lot of problems are buried in those holes. But you gotta do it right. I mean, you gotta have the hole already dug before you show up with a package in the trunk. Otherwise, you're talking about a half-hour to 45 minutes worth of digging. And who knows who's gonna come along in that time? Pretty soon, you gotta dig a few more holes. You could be there all $@&#in' night."

No, it doesn't work for me. Others things may have happened at that island, but I don't think that buried treasure is on the list. But a ship careening? Why not?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Ok, Ok Dave yer back on your coffee join me?

Since we both are talking of intangibles or unprovable things at the moment I suggest that you go to for a bit of relaxation ___

https://blu168.mail.live.com/defaul...mid=697b3b14-8ec2-11e3-82c3-00237de49d36&fv=1

See ya there as my guest Dave .

Don Jose d eLa Mancha

 

[Bottlecapbill]

oak island skeptic

Welcome appleC

the unfortunate thing is, I believe we have already explained the money pit.

it's a hole dug by treasure hunters,
out of the romance of finding buried riches beyond belief.

and the tunnels are just natural occurrences that helped feed the fury by happy accident

add a little greed in between somewhere.

the coconut fiber either to try to block the flow of ocean water in,
or from unrelated happy accicdent also.

started by a lonely kid being told stories from his parents of pirates and
buried treasure, used his imagination to keep from going nuts on a small island
actually got believed, at some point and it spiraled into what we have now.

I wonder how many kids out there watched a movie about pirates,
and went outside searching for pirate treasure after.

back then, it was bed time stories, which told to a child,
by a parent he emulated, were probably even more convincing.
so much so, he probably found signs of pirates, and convinced others
it's there.

Here is a great video from a guy who has it. It's long and no the best quality but, I think he's the only one who's got it right. Enjoy.

 

[Dave Rishar]

Ok, Ok Dave yer back on your coffee join me?

Since we both are talking of intangibles or unprovable things at the moment I suggest that you go to for a bit of relaxation ___

https://blu168.mail.live.com/defaul...mid=697b3b14-8ec2-11e3-82c3-00237de49d36&fv=1

See ya there as my guest Dave .

What is this a link to? It's prompting me to sign in to Outlook, but I don't use Outlook.

 

[jeff of pa]

Ok, Ok Dave yer back on your coffee join me?

Since we both are talking of intangibles or unprovable things at the moment I suggest that you go to for a bit of relaxation ___

https://blu168.mail.live.com/defaul...mid=697b3b14-8ec2-11e3-82c3-00237de49d36&fv=1

See ya there as my guest Dave .

Don Jose d eLa Mancha

What is this a link to? It's prompting me to sign in to Outlook, but I don't use Outlook.

Same here.

I see this:





If it wasn't Don Jose who posted it, I'd think he Spammed us

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Gentlemen: It is simply to - www.explorers.org.- - The Explorers club. It comes up nicely for me.. I personally do not frequent any of the popular medium's - Face book, outlook, etc.

Don Jose de la Mancha ( el innocent one jeff ! )

 

[jeff of pa]

Gentlemen: It is simply to - www.explorers.org.- - The Explorers club. It comes up nicely for me.. I personally do not frequent any of the popular medium's - Face book, outlook, etc.

Don Jose de la Mancha ( el innocent one jeff ! )

LOL Don

I guess they don't Want Me

 

[jeff of pa]

The Explorers Club

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

The Explorers Club should be no problems Jeff. www.explorers.org

 

[Bottlecapbill]

Sorry guys, I don't know what happened. I guess youtube links don't work?

 

[jeff of pa]

Yes YouTube links work

Just Copy & paste the address to the video

Example



Paste here & get



there are rare occasions where you need to double Click the video here,
but it's very rare

 

[Bottlecapbill]

Ok let's try that out.

 

[PatrickD]

Hi Everyone,

Ok, here is my $.02 worth. I like the romantic notion that there is a treasure down there. I would love for something to be located that would be a big payoff for the guys doing the research for the show.

Just out of curiosity, is it possible that this wasn't some big elaborate treasure trap and chamber but rather a sinkhole? Maybe a boat got caught in it at low tide and ended up working it's way down vertically? I know, lots of 'what ifs' to make that work.

But, every time I made a sand castle at the beach, the holes dug filled with water. I would suspect that the same would hold true strictly due to osmosis. The water filling doesn't seem like a trap, but rather a natural process.

The anomalies I have seen on the show do seem like the hand of man was involved. The swamp is too triangular. The original hole and the stratification of wood levels are curious to me. I cannot admit to buying into every peyote induced theory on the island but some of the things seem 'weird.'

How is it that three different metal detectors found something but then it disappeared when the diver was in the muck? Maybe he found stuff and didn't bring it up with the intent for a later retrieval? Wouldn't be the first treasure hunter to do something like that.

I would like to see the guys find something big and do the treasure dance from 'Treasure of the Sierra Madres' movie.

That island is like the area 51 for treasure lore.

 

[Peyton Manning]

I agree with jeff that it's all for the camera. If anyone wanted to look at it scientifically it would be simple. Take each claim and examine it. Logs at so many feet- any there? where did they go? INscribed stones and paper or whatever with writing- where is it? Tunnels for flooding the hole? not too hard to test that with dye.
A ship sucked down a sinkhole on an island? sheesh! If you have millions and want to see if there's anything in the hole get excavators in and dig the thing up. Why waste so much airtime searching here a day there a day ( look a squirrel) focus focus.
why spend millions on that sight anyways, with nothing of value ever found? I bet I could bank the millions and grid and search the superstitions and find more for 100k

 

[rowanns]

Just to clarify things a bit, Oak Island is very, very close to shore. One thing about the carbon dating of the coconut fibre. My understanding is that if the fibre is submerged in seawater, the date could be off by a couple of centuries. Has anyone else heard of this? The fibre is there and it is difficult to dismiss. It is important to note that the British really didn't get going in Nova Scotia until after 1749 and spread out from Halifax. The fortifications tended to be simple blockhouses and they were few and far between believe me. I don't think the arsenal theory fits in light of that. The French were certainly around, but their bastion of power was elsewhere in the province. This much I do believe - if archeologists had been permitted to participate early on, we'd be a lot better off in understanding what was/is on that Island.

 

[Dave Rishar]

My understanding is that if the fibre is submerged in seawater, the date could be off by a couple of centuries. Has anyone else heard of this?

Yes, and your understanding is correct. Hit Wikipedia if you want a longer version: Radiocarbon dating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . I'll warn you in advance that it's quite boring.

That having been said, carbon dating is nowhere nearly as foolproof as some seem to think that it is. A carbon-dated sample is one piece of evidence. Many carbon-dated samples in the proper context can be compelling evidence. And yes, professionals should have been involved (and should currently be involved) to eliminate the sort of shenanigans that make proper context nearly impossible to establish, and indeed cast serious doubt on the validity of finds that could otherwise be significant.