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    SPANISH COINS mean Spainish treasure..

    Live in the southwest I am somewhat familiar with Spanish treasure methods. +The treasures are never easy to find. There are always death traps. And markings for those who understand the signs. Every Spanish site or mine is completely sealed and man traps everuywhere.

    Where there is water, you can bet a water death trap is around. the Spanish explorers used Native labor. HUndreds if needed. And maps were always updated and bills of lading and transport documents always made.

    Death traps are set ff by humans. Could be massive rock slide, buried unescapable vaults. IMHO when the detector guy found a strong sognal in the cove water and then it was gone means something. My guess is the treasure is under water. Strange

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    Don't know where you got your info, but death traps are exceedingly rare. More people are killed by bee stings every year than have EVER been killed by a Spanish Death Trap in the history of man. Treasures are out there, and finding them takes either a great deal of luck and/or research and wearing out boot leather.

    Best of luck - Mike
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    Has anyone ever found treasure by following signs or a "map"?

    Ever?

    Anyone?
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    Somebody has been watching the movie Goonies too many times!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie P. (NY) View Post
    Has anyone ever found treasure by following signs or a "map"?

    Ever?

    Anyone?
    To answer your question, YES. many people. And since I know the next question, one name is Willie Doughit (pronounced Doth-it). In 1928 he either deciphered a map or murdered a kid named Jack Reynolds who had deciphered a map. Willie and his friend Buster Ward found a cave in the Caballo Mountains in N.M. with over 2,000 x 40 pound gold bars. He was kidnapped twice and tortured by people trying to find the location of the cave. After the second kidnapping, he took all the gold he could manage, moved to San Diego. Changed his name to Lawrence Foreman, and lived there until his death in 1998. He never had a job from 1933 until 1998, but when he died, his estate was still $3.5 million (that may or may not include the $1.5 million in cash his girlfriend took from his home.

    Milton Ernest "Doc" Noss, Supposedly using information from Willie's Map, Doc found a cave system in the San Andres Mountains in NM. In this cave were cases of jewels and old artifacts. In a lower cave were stacks of metal bars he thought were "pig iron". When he brought up one of those pig iron bars, he nicked an edge, and it turned out they were gold dore bars. Long story short, when trying to blast a boulder out of the cave for better access, he sealed it shut. Soon after, it became part of White Sands Missile Range. An MP Captain named Orby Swanner signed a notarized affidavit, stating that he was part of the military recovery team in 1961, and personally witnessed the military flatbed about 93,000,000 (yes 93 million) troy ounces of gold from Victorio Peak.

    In Sonora, Mex. a friend of mine was contacted by a small town to help them decipher a letter left by a local military commander in 1723 that described (in code) how to find the wealth of a small mining town that was being abandoned due to hostile Indian attacks. We spent several months going over the letter and carvings on a low wall in the town. The first step to finding the wealth, was to find the mission bell.

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    Because the area in question for many years is being fought over by Narco Trafficers, and the corrupt nature of the Policia and Federales, they decided to keep everything under wraps. That was about seven years ago. I don't know what (if anything has happened since then).

    ...............and yes. Following a trail of signs cut into (and made out of) rocks, I found an old sealed Spanish mine. It was a very low grade gold sulphide vein that ran through it (which explains why the Spanish didn't work it to death). Due to the location, working (or claiming) it is impossible. But inside the mineshaft, I found a rotten leather sack with 22 gold and silver coins inside. The newest was 1788. Worth a total of about $20K. I kept a 1 Escudo Gold and an 8 Reale Silver. This was in 2000. I still carry the 8 reale every day.

    I know of a bunch more, but for all intents and purposes, there is treasure out there to be found. You just have to get off your butts. HAHAHA

    OH ........ and about the death traps. I have personally seen one in twenty-two years. I have pictures of another one that is beyond doubt authentic (it hid a rich gold mine in Mexico). I know a story about one in Spain in a tunnel under a castle.

    Best - mike
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    Ah yes the old Spanish Treasure Trove Death Traps

    Death Traps

    Attachment 1081134
    But he who knows forms, is able to grasp the unity of nature beneath the surface of materials which are very unlike. Thus is he able to identify and bring about things that have never been done before, things of the kind which neither the vicissitudes of nature, nor hard experimenting, nor pure accident could ever have actualized, nor even human thought dreamed of. And thus from the discovery of the forms flows true speculation and unrestricted operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldo View Post
    Ah yes the old Spanish Treasure Trove Death Traps

    Death Traps

    Attachment 1081134

    HAHAHA Thanks for the link to my website.

    Enjoy!

    Here are some pics of the one protecting the gold mine in Mexico:

    The big clue at the top of the ridge above the mine (man's silhouette looking down at the mine).
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    Before digging it out.
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    After clearing away the debris.
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    The way it works is: #1 very large boulder balanced on the tip of a point of bedrock. #3 is a 6 foot long rock blocking the entrance of the mine (entrance is behind the big boulder). #2 is the face from the silhouette and keeps the big boulder pushed against the opposite side. When you climb behind the big boulder to get into the mine, you find your way blocked by #3. When you move #3 out of your way, it releases #2, which in turn lets #1 roll off the tip of the point of bedrock. Gravity makes it fall behind the point. So, if you are not crushed by the boulder, then it traps you behind it. The point of bedrock prevents you from rolling it out of your way, and you are trapped forever unless you have friends still outside.

    Those pics were given to me by Mike Pickett, and two of them used to be on his now defunct website treasurehuntersuniversity.com.

    Mike
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    3,188 tons of gold? 80 large tractor trailers carrying 80,000 pounds each (not counting the weight of the substantial containers that would be needed)? I'll need more than one mans rumored affidavit for the volume as we didn't build a second Fort Knox, but we can assume something was found. So that's two (same treasure found by two people only counts as one). ;-).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie P. (NY) View Post
    3,188 tons of gold? 80 large tractor trailers carrying 80,000 pounds each (not counting the weight of the substantial containers that would be needed)? I'll need more than one mans rumored affidavit for the volume as we didn't build a second Fort Knox, but we can assume something was found. So that's two (same treasure found by two people only counts as one). ;-).
    Do the research instead of just asking someone else to prove it to you. THAT'S what I and several other people have done. I spent more than twenty years chasing down leads, talking to people, finding old out of print books, newspaper articles, and translating Colonial Spanish Documents. I just gave some examples that answer your question. Don't believe me, that's fine. Do the research yourself. Spend all the time and money I did checking out different stories.

    What I posted is the tip of the iceberg regarding treasures found. I have been fortunate in that in the twenty odd years I have been doing this, I have met several people who got their great wealth from finds made in the US and Mexico.

    Don't just expect everybody else to just puke up decades of personal research. I promise you though, that if you spend the time and effort, you will find much of the same I have found.

    Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie P. (NY) View Post
    3,188 tons of gold? 80 large tractor trailers carrying 80,000 pounds each (not counting the weight of the substantial containers that would be needed)? I'll need more than one mans rumored affidavit for the volume as we didn't build a second Fort Knox, but we can assume something was found. So that's two (same treasure found by two people only counts as one). ;-).

    READING IS FUNDAMENTAL! The two people knew each other, but their treasures were in two separate mountain ranges (Caballos and San Andres). Two separate caches.

    Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by gollum View Post
    Do the research instead of just asking someone else to prove it to you. THAT'S what I and several other people have done. I spent more than twenty years chasing down leads, talking to people, finding old out of print books, newspaper articles, and translating Colonial Spanish Documents. I just gave some examples that answer your question. Don't believe me, that's fine. Do the research yourself. Spend all the time and money I did checking out different stories.

    What I posted is the tip of the iceberg regarding treasures found. I have been fortunate in that in the twenty odd years I have been doing this, I have met several people who got their great wealth from finds made in the US and Mexico.

    Don't just expect everybody else to just puke up decades of personal research. I promise you though, that if you spend the time and effort, you will find much of the same I have found.

    Mike
    Guys like Charlie don't really want to know the facts, all they care about is being against something. They always ask for proof, but even when they get proof they find ways to discredit it. It's sad to think that some people don't have the ability to believe things unless they read it from a text book.

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    I think they hid a clue.........look what I found when looking at your photo more closely

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    But he who knows forms, is able to grasp the unity of nature beneath the surface of materials which are very unlike. Thus is he able to identify and bring about things that have never been done before, things of the kind which neither the vicissitudes of nature, nor hard experimenting, nor pure accident could ever have actualized, nor even human thought dreamed of. And thus from the discovery of the forms flows true speculation and unrestricted operation.

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    im still a believer though
    But he who knows forms, is able to grasp the unity of nature beneath the surface of materials which are very unlike. Thus is he able to identify and bring about things that have never been done before, things of the kind which neither the vicissitudes of nature, nor hard experimenting, nor pure accident could ever have actualized, nor even human thought dreamed of. And thus from the discovery of the forms flows true speculation and unrestricted operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gollum View Post
    To answer your question, YES. many people. And since I know the next question, one name is Willie Doughit (pronounced Doth-it). In 1928 he either deciphered a map or murdered a kid named Jack Reynolds who had deciphered a map. Willie and his friend Buster Ward found a cave in the Caballo Mountains in N.M. with over 2,000 x 40 pound gold bars. He was kidnapped twice and tortured by people trying to find the location of the cave. After the second kidnapping, he took all the gold he could manage, moved to San Diego. Changed his name to Lawrence Foreman, and lived there until his death in 1998. He never had a job from 1933 until 1998, but when he died, his estate was still $3.5 million (that may or may not include the $1.5 million in cash his girlfriend took from his home.

    Milton Ernest "Doc" Noss, Supposedly using information from Willie's Map, Doc found a cave system in the San Andres Mountains in NM. In this cave were cases of jewels and old artifacts. In a lower cave were stacks of metal bars he thought were "pig iron". When he brought up one of those pig iron bars, he nicked an edge, and it turned out they were gold dore bars. Long story short, when trying to blast a boulder out of the cave for better access, he sealed it shut. Soon after, it became part of White Sands Missile Range. An MP Captain named Orby Swanner signed a notarized affidavit, stating that he was part of the military recovery team in 1961, and personally witnessed the military flatbed about 93,000,000 (yes 93 million) troy ounces of gold from Victorio Peak.

    In Sonora, Mex. a friend of mine was contacted by a small town to help them decipher a letter left by a local military commander in 1723 that described (in code) how to find the wealth of a small mining town that was being abandoned due to hostile Indian attacks. We spent several months going over the letter and carvings on a low wall in the town. The first step to finding the wealth, was to find the mission bell.

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    Because the area in question for many years is being fought over by Narco Trafficers, and the corrupt nature of the Policia and Federales, they decided to keep everything under wraps. That was about seven years ago. I don't know what (if anything has happened since then).

    ...............and yes. Following a trail of signs cut into (and made out of) rocks, I found an old sealed Spanish mine. It was a very low grade gold sulphide vein that ran through it (which explains why the Spanish didn't work it to death). Due to the location, working (or claiming) it is impossible. But inside the mineshaft, I found a rotten leather sack with 22 gold and silver coins inside. The newest was 1788. Worth a total of about $20K. I kept a 1 Escudo Gold and an 8 Reale Silver. This was in 2000. I still carry the 8 reale every day.

    I know of a bunch more, but for all intents and purposes, there is treasure out there to be found. You just have to get off your butts. HAHAHA

    OH ........ and about the death traps. I have personally seen one in twenty-two years. I have pictures of another one that is beyond doubt authentic (it hid a rich gold mine in Mexico). I know a story about one in Spain in a tunnel under a castle.

    Best - mike

    great story, are the pics on a thread?
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