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    Patience...And All Will Be Revealed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Wow ! So the only thing you lack is: 1) A shovel (durned that hardware store that won't sell you a shovel), and 2) "permission". Durned that big bad government that won't grant you permission.

    Regarding #2 : This has been the oft-cited predicament that many big-ticket searchers have had. Eg.: Yamashita, Lost Dutchman, Dents Run, etc.... Someone knows "EXACTLY WHERE THE TREASURE IS". Right ? But .... durned that government red tape. That keeps them from going and simply digging it up. Right ?

    It's not that they don't know exactly where the treasure is. It's merely a matter of govt. red tape, finding a detector that goes 6 meters deep, and heavy equipment to drain a pesky swamp. Right ? And details like where to smelt 20 tons of gold, eh ? But rest assured: The treasure is "right there". Eh ?
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    The search for "Truth" and "Justice" is my "Prime Directive."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff of pa View Post
    thread Moved to Oak Island Forum so people actually read it
    Thanks!...Jeff!... Close to 250 Thousands later!
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    The search for "Truth" and "Justice" is my "Prime Directive."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robot View Post
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    What is said to be "falling apart" vs that it is actually "falling into place " ?

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    Everything Is Falling Into...Place!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    What is said to be "falling apart" vs that it is actually "falling into place " ?
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    The search for "Truth" and "Justice" is my "Prime Directive."

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    ....
    Robot, you still have not answered what are the "things".

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    Things...Are The Mysteries Of Life!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Robot, you still have not answered what are the "things".
    How many have wondered what is inside of a...Golf Ball!

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    The search for "Truth" and "Justice" is my "Prime Directive."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    What's the "mystery" ? Maybe there's no "mystery" at all . That all the conjectures is merely : Relying on legends-to-prove-legends. And "uncanny things" and "salacious details" can be found ANYWHERE on planet earth . If you let your imagination roam long enough. That mean absolutely nothing. I can walk a mile from my house and find all sorts of conspiracy theory uncanny symbols, markers, depressions, squiggles, a gold link, a fiber, etc.....



    Yup. Durned those Freemasons after all. The dry holes is all-the-more-proof of treasure after all. The perpetual finding of "nothing", is all-the-more proof of treasure. Because of course; We all know those crafty suspicious clever Freemasons would set out decoy clues. Anticipating those future would-be TH'rs.

    Thus: A little more to the right. A little more to the left. A little deeper. It's NEVER that there's no treasure . Right ?
    So what's the mystery? Who built it, why, how, when, take your pick.

    Relying on legends? So says you. Believers have eyewitness testimony, which hasn't been dis-proven in hundreds of years!

    I know, I keep saying eyewitness testimony...and here is just one document:

    http://www.oakislandtreasure.co.uk/w...blairstory.pdf

    Lets take the structures in Smith's cove. These were built because...they just felt like building something? There must of been a reason. Your logic proves the box drains did exist. Constructing those structures without knowing there were drains is like building a bridge, and not being sure there is a reason to build one and that is plain illogical.

    Of course it could all be an elaborate CONSPIRACY to bilk people out of their money...but your type don't believe in conspiracies...right?
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    • early copper
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    • silver 3 cent piece
    • nickel 3 cent piece
    • seated quarter
    • capped bust silver
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    Quote Originally Posted by b3y0nd3r View Post
    So what's the mystery? Who built it, why, how, when, take your pick....

    And as I said: I can walk a mile radius from my house, and construct a "mystery" too. I can find uncanny things that you wouldn't be able to prove the source of. Mysterious symmetrical objects. A squiggle. A drain hole. A fiber. A link. A depression in the ground, etc... And I can even find eye-witnesses who said things in the past, or saw things in the present, etc.... And then insist that all this means "treasure".

    And as long as I keep labeling it a "mystery", and as long as a skeptic can't prove it DOESN'T mean "treasure", then presto: The treasure is most-certainly there. Eh ?

    Quote Originally Posted by b3y0nd3r View Post
    ....CONSPIRACY to bilk people out of their money ...
    Nope. No one attempted to "bilk" anyone. No one "lied". I keep saying this over and over again : To disbelieve in a treasure legend is NOT to say "the people lied" (or "bilked", etc...).

    ON THE CONTRARY : All the people, along the entire length of the daisy chain, firmly sincerely believe "treasure". They are nothing less than sincere. But .... we all know that "sincerity" and "belief" is not the measure of "truth". Right ? Otherwise, there are sincere people who think they are Napoleon. Or that they were abducted by aliens. Or that they saw Elvis yesterday. None of them is "lying". OK ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    And as I said: I can walk a mile radius from my house, and construct a "mystery" too. I can find uncanny things that you wouldn't be able to prove the source of. Mysterious symmetrical objects. A squiggle. A drain hole. A fiber. A link. A depression in the ground, etc... And I can even find eye-witnesses who said things in the past, or saw things in the present, etc.... And then insist that all this means "treasure".

    And as long as I keep labeling it a "mystery", and as long as a skeptic can't prove it DOESN'T mean "treasure", then presto: The treasure is most-certainly there. Eh ?



    Nope. No one attempted to "bilk" anyone. No one "lied". I keep saying this over and over again : To disbelieve in a treasure legend is NOT to say "the people lied" (or "bilked", etc...).

    ON THE CONTRARY : All the people, along the entire length of the daisy chain, firmly sincerely believe "treasure". They are nothing less than sincere. But .... we all know that "sincerity" and "belief" is not the measure of "truth". Right ? Otherwise, there are sincere people who think they are Napoleon. Or that they were abducted by aliens. Or that they saw Elvis yesterday. None of them is "lying". OK ?
    I would say something is/was there in your scenario. It doesn't have to be treasure. Some of us just want to know what happened.

    So hundreds of people that were directly involved from the start all sincerely believed and were all wrong? Is that statistically possible? All those people lacked that infallible skeptical logic that is always right no matter what? Hard to believe. OR is it that there is enough evidence there to debunk the skeptical POV?

    It's okay that you glossed over the evidence I presented so you can provide your consistent dissertation on human psychology and behavior. I didn't expect anything more
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    • Spanish silver
    • seated half
    • flying eagle
    • early copper
    • 1700's coin
    • 1600's coin
    • silver 3 cent piece
    • nickel 3 cent piece
    • seated quarter
    • capped bust silver
    • draped bust silver
    • silver dollar

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    Quote Originally Posted by b3y0nd3r View Post
    I would say something is/was there in your scenario. It doesn't have to be treasure. Some of us just want to know what happened.....
    But here's the problem: The entire reason for the crazy-interest in O.I. is NOT because of "cool logs", or "cool fibers" and "why they are/were there". On the contrary, the "something" (that everyone is hoping for, if they're honest) is: Treasure.

    Quote Originally Posted by b3y0nd3r View Post
    .... So hundreds of people that were directly involved from the start all sincerely believed and were all wrong?....
    There were not "hundreds of people directly involved". It only takes one or a couple. Who become convinced that there is "probably a treasure" (d/t whatever it was they saw and whatever conclusions they drew). Ie.: the little boys (if the legend is to be believed). No one , after that, is part of the "directly involved" crowd. Everyone thereafter, all the way up to the Lagina Brothers, is simply going off those original person's sincerities. It's infectious ! You can't help but to believe a good treasure yarn. Hence you/we too are all "quite sincere". But we are not "directly involved".


    Quote Originally Posted by b3y0nd3r View Post
    ....It's okay that you glossed over the evidence I presented ....
    And you know EXACTLY why I don't engage in debates about the logs, fibers, links, salacious legend details, structures, drains, etc.... Because it will immediately devolve into the wack-a-mole game.

    I could play the same wack-a-mole game for the things-I-can-find within a mile of my house. And .... likewise ... you too couldn't prove they *don't* mean treasure. Any "more plausible" explanation you could offer, for the things I find near my house, I could just come back (in the "game") to show a possible contingency. That .... it's *still* possible that it means treasure (given enough slaves, enough years, enough conspiracy motives, etc....). And at each turn, you would not be able to refute my hypotheticals. Isn't the wack-a-mole game wonderful ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by b3y0nd3r View Post
    So hundreds of people that were directly involved from the start all sincerely believed and were all wrong? Is that statistically possible? All those people lacked that infallible skeptical logic that is always right no matter what? Hard to believe.
    It is statistically likely because you have to include the billions of people on earth who felt it wasn't worth visiting the island at all. Only those who already felt there "was a chance" actually travelled to the island - so your sample was biased.

    And so far the evidence (none) leans heavily towards that being the truth. 28 at bats, 28 strikeouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie P. (NY) View Post
    .... Only those who already felt...
    And don't forget, that even those persons were not "directly involved" . They were all just "catching the zeal" of those that made the original musings. So ... there's not "hundreds directly involved", in the first place.

    If the legend is to be believed: It's a few boys who started digging. Not "hundreds". Everyone else, since then ... is not "directly involved". Except to jump on the band-wagon, that someone else started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie P. (NY) View Post
    It is statistically likely because you have to include the billions of people on earth who felt it wasn't worth visiting the island at all. Only those who already felt there "was a chance" actually travelled to the island - so your sample was biased.

    And so far the evidence (none) leans heavily towards that being the truth. 28 at bats, 28 strikeouts.
    Why did it go into extra innings? 9 x 3 = 27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    And don't forget, that even those persons were not "directly involved" . They were all just "catching the zeal" of those that made the original musings. So ... there's not "hundreds directly involved", in the first place.

    If the legend is to be believed: It's a few boys who started digging. Not "hundreds". Everyone else, since then ... is not "directly involved". Except to jump on the band-wagon, that someone else started.
    Are you directly involved in this thread? Did you start this thread?

    That's what I thought.

    Same thing. If I show up at OI with a shovel looking for whatever, I am then directly involved. Us talking about it are not directly involved. I see we now have to argue semantics.
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    • Spanish silver
    • seated half
    • flying eagle
    • early copper
    • 1700's coin
    • 1600's coin
    • silver 3 cent piece
    • nickel 3 cent piece
    • seated quarter
    • capped bust silver
    • draped bust silver
    • silver dollar

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    Quote Originally Posted by etex View Post
    Why did it go into extra innings? 9 x 3 = 27
    28 is the count of the seperate attempts or groups since 1795 who have searched, drilled, excavated or mined the island. That's from a time-line listed earlier.
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