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    The Roman Spear

    I have a theory about the Roman Spear. If this is part of a treasure dating back to the 14th century, a Roman spear may easily have been a treasured relic popular at that time. While I believe most relics are 13th century creations made to supply the demand for Christian era relics, it is very possible that either would find it's way into a sacred treasure hoard.

    It is very possible that there are at least two treasures deposited on the island. One ancient and perhaps Templar and another late 17th/early 18th century. The pit appears to be the latter and all the early finds are found elsewhere on the island.

    ps The significance of a Roman Spear as a relic comes from the spear thrust into the side of the body of Christ to prove his death.
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    1st - I noticed this was your very first post - so, Welcome Aboard Marshalll! You didn't list your state (or country) in your profile. So, you might consider jumping over to Sub-Forum: Select Your Area.... for information (i.e., clubs, hunts, finds, legends, maps, etc.) directly related to your state (or country).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshalll View Post
    I have a theory about the Roman Spear. If this is part of a treasure dating back to the 14th century, a Roman spear may easily have been a treasured relic popular at that time. While I believe most relics are 13th century creations made to supply the demand for Christian era relics, it is very possible that either would find it's way into a sacred treasure hoard.

    It is very possible that there are at least two treasures deposited on the island. One ancient and perhaps Templar and another late 17th/early 18th century. The pit appears to be the latter and all the early finds are found elsewhere on the island.

    ps The significance of a Roman Spear as a relic comes from the spear thrust into the side of the body of Christ to prove his death.
    Here is the spear that pierced the side of Jesus. It is called the "Spear of Destiny."Click image for larger version. 

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    Looks nothing like Roman Spears of the time, either.

    Either one.
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    If someone would mention this to Diana Jean Muir she can include this spear in her next addition if the Prince Henry Sinclair journal series.

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    Has anyone anywhere found Templar treasure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillbilly Prince View Post
    Has anyone anywhere found Templar treasure?
    Yep... The laginas... They have become very rich of the Templars "buried" treasure..........
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    I do not remember anyone claiming a spear was found....
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Here is the spear that pierced the side of Jesus. It is called the "Spear of Destiny."Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	1767693 Looks nothing like the "spear for fishing" found on Oak Island.
    Why does the caption under the spear call it "The Holy Lance" if it is known as Spear of Destiny... and this spear was used by someone to test death and then had the foresight to set it aside for it's history that at the time they didn't believe in the man they just killed.. Not saying it's not true but..... to add this in with how things go on the OI Forum alot has to be taken on someones word and there isn't much of that around here..

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    Quote Originally Posted by n2mini View Post
    Why does the caption under the spear call it "The Holy Lance" if it is known as Spear of Destiny... and this spear was used by someone to test death and then had the foresight to set it aside for it's history that at the time they didn't believe in the man they just killed.. Not saying it's not true but..... to add this in with how things go on the OI Forum alot has to be taken on someones word and there isn't much of that around here..
    If the "Holy Lance" or the "Spear of Destiny" was not true why did it outrage Hitler enough to want it so bad the he invaded Austria to get the Lance. Hitler was so possessed and obsessed with having the "Spear of Destiny" it drove him, completely mad.

    Click image for larger version. 

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    Just saying Jesus died in roughly AD 30. and Hitler ruled in in the 1920-30s" or so... That is a LONG time difference to have kept this spear hidden/safe. As I said, I'm not saying the story is not true just that you, me, we have to take someones word for it. Which doesn't go well in this forum...
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    The definition of lance is different from the definition of spear. Anyway, welcome to the forum from Port Allegheny, Pennsylvania
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    If the "Holy Lance" or the "Spear of Destiny" was not true why did it outrage Hitler enough to want it so bad the he invaded Austria to get the Lance. Hitler was so possessed and obsessed with having the "Spear of Destiny" it drove him, completely mad.

    Click image for larger version. 

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    So your premise is that because Hitler thought it must exist (or the Austrian version was authentic, no question it is a physical object) so that therefore, it must be the lance that, according to one version of the Crucifixion (John's), pierced Christ's side? And then took on some magical properties?

    Hitler thought a Winter War in Russia was a good idea.

    He had a couple other "ideas" that didn't pan out so well, either.

    By the way - Germany annexed Austria in a bloodless move in 1938. It was to be after an Austrian vote but Chancellor Schuschnigg resigned rather than be part of it (there were Nazis in his cabinet by that time)
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Here is the spear that pierced the side of Jesus. It is called the "Spear of Destiny."Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Screenshot_2019-11-02 Holy Lance - Wikipedia.png 
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ID:	1767693 Looks nothing like the "spear for fishing" found on Oak Island.
    At a glance, I would have told you that whatever that thing is, it was not a Roman spear. Then I Googled the Holy Lance and found that the experts (including the ones that physically tested it) are in agreement with my initial impression. I believe that it was dated to the 9th century AD or thereabouts, which seems reasonable enough to me.

    I don't know who made that or why, but I can tell you with absolute certainty that it was constructed as an art piece.
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