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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    I hope someone with real professional credentials in marine history and marine archaeology explain what type of ship was available to 14th century Henry Sinclair that could make a voyage across the Atlantic.
    It is always Sinclair made the trip with a band of geriatric Templars to hide treasure, but never in what type of vessel of that period that could carry all those men and a payload of treasure.
    Hell people had been crossing the Atlantic 5,000 years before King Arthur and the Welsh. Ralph de Sudeley and the Templars and the Vikings. Go and read some of Julius Caesar's letters. He explains quite eloquently that the Welsh Navy was more prepared and more equipped to sail rough seas than the Roman Navy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazzahk View Post
    WHAT no gold.... I was certain they would find it this week...

    Thanks Mike

    So 21 episodes this season and they have found a) old wood b) water c) exposed more of a road known about for 50+ years d) a "serpent shaped" mound of dirt dumped by previous searchers e) Old metal junk; and d) taken a look at more old junk found by Dan....

    WOW that was worth the 21 hours of TV time....
    Not to mention that every time they visit Carmen the Black Smith he's always forging metal. Just once I want the crew to catch him while the guys is taking a coffee break or watching TV at his home.

    Also, why does the narrator always choose the earlier date when talking about a specific find? Gary: "This button has to be from 1750 to 1850". Narrator: "1750?, almost 50 years before the money pit was discovered?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Hell people had been crossing the Atlantic 5,000 years before King Arthur and the Welsh.
    Ralph de Sudeley and the Templars and the Vikings.
    Go and read some of Julius Caesar's letters. He explains quite eloquently that the Welsh Navy was more prepared and more equipped to sail rough seas than the Roman Navy.
    I read Caesar's Commentaries in Latin, and he NEVER mentioned a Welsh navy., nor did he ever go into Wales
    Please cite that passage from which you base your statement.
    Ralph de Sudeley's alleged voyage is based, like Muir's Sinclair voyage, on a fictional work, The Cremona Document and Onteora Document, which Donald Huh and Zena Halpern created their pseudo history version.
    Ralph de Sudeley is best known for having a "museum" on his estate containing "HOLY RELICS" for which he charged admission.
    I remember someone mentioning his son, Oteul, was the old spelling of their last name, a subtle, but wrong claim of descendance.
    If people crossed the Atlantic 5000 years before Arthur's 6rh century, please provide the source of this "history changing" information, AND, what no one ever mentions, the type of vessels capable of making this voyage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    I read Caesar's Commentaries in Latin, and he NEVER mentioned a Welsh navy., nor did he ever go into Wales
    Please cite that passage from which you base your statement.
    Ralph de Sudeley's alleged voyage is based, like Muir's Sinclair voyage, on a fictional work, The Cremona Document and Onteora Document, which Donald Huh and Zena Halpern created their pseudo history version.
    Ralph de Sudeley is best known for having a "museum" on his estate containing "HOLY RELICS" for which he charged admission.
    I remember someone mentioning his son, Oteul, was the old spelling of their last name, a subtle, but wrong claim of descendance.
    If people crossed the Atlantic 5000 years before Arthur's 6rh century, please provide the source of this "history changing" information, AND, what no one ever mentions, the type of vessels capable of making this voyage.
    Even though certain individuals are on my ignore list, when their fantastical false claims are quoted, I unfortunately have to see them.

    Some folks live in a fantasy world and keep making false statements hoping that someone considers them relevant. The nonsense posted here is just incredible.
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    My AT Pro finds more “treasure” in a single hour than all of the treasure ever found on oak island...

    The oak island money pit is the longest running hoax in history...

    King Arthur is a fairy tale and fairy tale characters did not cross the Atlantic

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    SingleStack... Oak Island is a Templar Bunker to protect from the air-raids from UFO's.

    Love your "signature" btw...

    What a way to get the "last word" in.

    heh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singlestack Wonder View Post
    Maintenance was performed on ships on hoax island. Nothing new there.....probably all kinds of garbage left over along with ox shoes....
    The ship repair company failed to repair their last project. The ship sunk in the swamp overnight so the ship repair and maintenance company quietly went out of business, since they didn't have insurance to cover the cargo of gold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeN View Post
    The ship repair company failed to repair their last project. The ship sunk in the swamp overnight so the ship repair and maintenance company quietly went out of business, since they didn't have insurance to cover the cargo of gold.
    Was the ship overloaded with bobby dazzlers and ox shoes?
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    My AT Pro finds more “treasure” in a single hour than all of the treasure ever found on oak island...

    The oak island money pit is the longest running hoax in history...

    King Arthur is a fairy tale and fairy tale characters did not cross the Atlantic

    Resident De-bunker #2...

    The 1911...An elegant weapon for a more civilized age...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AARC View Post
    SingleStack... Oak Island is a Templar Bunker to protect from the air-raids from UFO's.

    Love your "signature" btw...

    What a way to get the "last word" in.

    heh
    Come’on man! Enough with the ufo’s......hoax island already has a space/time warp tunnel....
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    My AT Pro finds more “treasure” in a single hour than all of the treasure ever found on oak island...

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    King Arthur is a fairy tale and fairy tale characters did not cross the Atlantic

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    The 1911...An elegant weapon for a more civilized age...

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    Hmmm was there a Star Trek episode where they landed on Oak Island... then fell in a well... and had to be beamed up ? ? ?

    Hmmm were there some round furry creatures.. ? ? ?

    Bah... more Rum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Go and read some of Julius Caesar's letters. He explains quite eloquently that the Welsh Navy was more prepared and more equipped to sail rough seas than the Roman Navy.
    Now that is interesting. In 55-47 BC there was no "nation" of Wales. Just seperate tribes. The Romans were able to arrive on the beaches and leave unmollested. If there was a Navy of Wales they didn't have the thought to engage the Romans at sea. Caesar did mention the hide coracles as being handy to cross rivers. As they were light enough for a soldier to carry. One soldier. Hardly sounds like a sea-fairing vessel.


    https://theodora.com/encyclopedia/c2/coracle.html

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...nalCode=rmir20
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    I read Caesar's Commentaries in Latin, and he NEVER mentioned a Welsh navy., nor did he ever go into Wales
    Please cite that passage from which you base your statement.
    Ralph de Sudeley's alleged voyage is based, like Muir's Sinclair voyage, on a fictional work, The Cremona Document and Onteora Document, which Donald Huh and Zena Halpern created their pseudo history version.
    Ralph de Sudeley is best known for having a "museum" on his estate containing "HOLY RELICS" for which he charged admission.
    I remember someone mentioning his son, Oteul, was the old spelling of their last name, a subtle, but wrong claim of descendance.
    If people crossed the Atlantic 5000 years before Arthur's 6rh century, please provide the source of this "history changing" information, AND, what no one ever mentions, the type of vessels capable of making this voyage.
    As far as you have to go is to Lake Michigan and look at over 10,000 copper mines and the thousands and even millions of tons of copper mined there thousands of years before Christ was born.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie P. (NY) View Post
    Now that is interesting. In 55-47 BC there was no "nation" of Wales. Just seperate tribes. The Romans were able to arrive on the beaches and leave unmollested. If there was a Navy of Wales they didn't have the thought to engage the Romans at sea. Caesar did mention the hide coracles as being handy to cross rivers. As they were light enough for a soldier to carry. One soldier. Hardly sounds like a sea-fairing vessel...
    Caesar also mentioned the local barbarian warriors he and his Legion encountered in Britania were painted blue from woad leaves.
    The original Blue Man Group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    As far as you have to go is to Lake Michigan and look at over 10,000 copper mines and the thousands and even millions of tons of copper mined there thousands of years before Christ was born.
    Yes, there were copper mines on Keweenaw Peninsula on Lake Michigan dug by indigenous Native Americans of that period, not by Welsh, or any Europeans.
    They made tools, beads, bracelets, fishhooks, and trade items from the copper, and Keweenaw copper has be found throughout the Midwest in burial mounds constructed by Native Americans.
    Thanks Franklin, for another example on how an actual fact can be manipulated into a fabricated false version of history where BCE Europeans crossed the Atlantic to mine copper and other metals in America.
    A real history timeline 4000-2001BCE
    www.fsmitha.com/time/bc1.htm
    Notice there is NO mention of voyages crossing the Atlantic 5000 years before your (Wilson & Blackett) claim 6th century King Arthur of legend.
    Last edited by ECS; Apr 07, 2021 at 10:46 PM.
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    Why would any 6TH century Welsh tribes risk traveling halfway around the world making hazardous ocean journey across the north Atlantic. Then trek hundreds of miles through virtual wilderness to mine copper near Lake Michigan ? When they had shallow copper deposits Parys mountain and Great Orme less than 10-30 miles from them? Those two mines there as well as others was more than enough to supply and demand needs of 6th Britain and more so.



    Totally illogical and ignorant.

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    Last edited by Crow; Apr 08, 2021 at 05:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    Yes, there were copper mines on Keweenaw Peninsula on Lake Michigan dug by indigenous Native Americans of that period, not by Welsh, or any Europeans.
    They made tools, beads, bracelets, fishhooks, and trade items from the copper, and Keweenaw copper has be found throughout the Midwest in burial mounds constructed by Native Americans.
    Thanks Franklin, for another example on how an actual fact can be manipulated into a fabricated false version of history where BCE Europeans crossed the Atlantic to mine copper and other metals in America.
    A real history timeline 4000-2001BCE
    World History Timeline: 4000 to 2001 BCE (BC)
    Notice there is NO mention of voyages crossing the Atlantic 5000 years before your (Wilson & Blackett) claim 6th century King Arthur of legend.
    The Native Indians never mined millions of tons of copper. If they did they were working for the Europeans.

 

 
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