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    The Pearl Ship

    http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ima...1&X=5&Y=35&W=1

    The above link is to Terraserver's image of the Salton Sea, California, and this concerns the story of the Pearl Ship, which was supposedly a galleon that got trapped in a rare flooding of the area from the Gulf of California about 1615. Some stories state it went aground about 30 west of Dos Palmas; that it involved a "Captain Iturbe"; it had onboard a king's ransom in pearls.

    So, short of going into the Spanish Archives, here's the other option. Look at these satellite photos of the northern Salton Sea area for the ship. If it exists, it should show up somewhere along the edge of the mountains where maximum flooding took place.
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    Re: The Pearl Ship



    The above link is to Terraserver's image of the Salton Sea, California, and this concerns the story of the Pearl Ship, which was supposedly a galleon that got trapped in a rare flooding of the area from the Gulf of California about 1615.? Some stories state it went aground about 30 west of Dos Palmas; that it involved a "Captain Iturbe"; it had onboard a king's ransom in pearls.

    So, short of going into the Spanish Archives, here's the other option.? Look at these satellite photos of the northern Salton Sea area for the ship.? If it exists, it should show up somewhere along the edge of the mountains where maximum flooding took place.?


    A&Q) HOLA: My Indian contacts, published stories by others, etc., place it SOUTH of the border. There are reports of it being occasionally uncovered and Ming Dynasty ware being recovered. Unfortunately, in all cases, when the finder attempts to return, it is covered again or the finder cannot orient himself well enough.

    Who knows how much is true and how much ----.

    In any event the area is accessible with a sand buggy or a 4 wheel drive vehicle with soft sand capabilities, and backup facilities..


    Jose de La Mancha ( I tilt windmills )

    "I exist to live, not live to exst"
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    Re: The Pearl Ship

    Whether north or south of the border, it'll be fun sitting back and looking at some arial pics to see if it exists.

    Suppose this was posted as a contest...say the person who discovers it by looking at the pics gets a metal detector from this website, followed by an additional contest to see who could be the first person at the site...winner gets the cargo of the ship!

    Hmmmmmm!

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    I actually have a pretty good chunk of info on this one- lots of old articles describing peoples trips out there and talk of the ship- as mentioned, once it was found, it was always never able to be re-located. I haven't looked at them in a while, so maybe I'll dig 'em up again and post some of the info. I always felt that if all the reports and locations were marked down you could probably triangulate a perspective area to search- and now with Google Earth, that area could be scanned. The only problem is rounding up maps from the time to co-ordinate the old place names. There is some people who believe that it's an old ferry that keeps getting mistaken for the ship. I'll let you know what I dig up....
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    Re: The Pearl Ship

    Any treasure recovery group
    interested in this thing, then
    contact me.
    Al Osborn
    Howso@centurytel.net

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    This is a great story, and would be the find of a lifetime. However, as you know the ship became trapped in the inland sea due to the changing whims of mother nature, who allowed this area to become flooded occasionally due to overflow by the Colorado River. That is no longer the case. This inland sea is a vacation mecca, which is regulated by the state of California. The inflows and outflows are carefully monitored. It will never dry out again in our lifetime. May I suggest that the ship was probably abandoned at the lowest point, which is where the water remained the longest, until such time as Captain Iturbe realized that waiting was fruitless. If the lowest point is about the same now, then it is under water, and will remain so. Thus, being a salt water body, what salvage laws apply, if ever found at all?

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    Re: The Pearl Ship

    From what I got from the stories, Captain Iturbe abandoned ship after it was grounded, either inside or near a box canyon. That means it was near a point where mountains jut up from the flooded area of the shoreline. And since it was alledgedly seen over the years by whom ever stumbled in the area, it is possible it is far above the present shoreline of the Salton Sea.

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    Cptbil

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    Re: The Pearl Ship

    To all:
    If you'll check some VERY! Early Spanish Maps, you find that they show CA., as an Island!
    Look at a modern Aerial photo/map of CA. and you can plainly see, the explaination, of why!
    CptBil & Bugs

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    kimimik

    Re: The Pearl Ship

    Actually the Salton Sea was only formed 100 years ago. The actuall sea never reached that far north. There was an ancient lake that was created by the Colorado River, but it was a fresh water lake and it dried up around 1600. In 1907, a levee broke in Yuma that flooded the Salton Basin and formed the Salton Sea. It is misleading being called a "sea", one would logically assume that it is a remnant of the sea receding, but it isn't. Here is a link to some more information. Hope it helps guide you in the right direction. I suggest that you might want to check out geology sites and research information on the landformations at the time the ship was lost. Don't just go on legends and rumors as I am sure we all have learned, they get us no where. You will find much more success if you look at it scientifically.

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    Kimberly
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    Re: The Pearl Ship

    I concurr wholeheartily with the statement above and the Monograph by Eugene Singer, however, with that said, it seems appropriate enough to add a little bit here...These "Legends" of a Ship (or Ships) in this region were part of Folklore or Stories passed down from Pima, Papago's and Chemevehes and others, LONG BEFORE the Spanish Arrived here, certainly, Juan Cabrillo, Juan de Iturbe and others crossing the area heard of these things...And there are Modern-Day Stories of Ancient Vessels that have been Found and Lost in this region.....Happy Trails To You....

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    Re: The Pearl Ship

    I've done loads of research on this one because it's close to home. O.C., Ca. Yes, the captains' name was Iturbide, and yeas, it had a king's ransom of pearls, and even a small chest of gold that was to have paid for the trip. The report that Capt. Iturbide filed in Acapulco stated that when the ship finally ran aground, they took only what they needed to survive the trip back to the third and final ship, leaving all valuables behind. Some stories put the ship 240 miles from the current Gulf of California shoreline, which is ridiculous, because that would put it in the vicinity of Kokoweef Peak! Careful translation of puts the ship in the dunes between Yuma, Az. and Mexicali, Ca.

    You can study Google Earth and Terraserver Pics the this area until you're blue in the face. I thought that too, until I drove out there one day just to see what it looked like. Those dunes are 60-100ft tall on either side of Highway 8. The dunes are 7 miles wide at the widest and 47 miles long from North to South. This treasure will stay lost until some lucky chump trips over it by accident, the same as most every other lost treasure in this area. Make no mistake my armchair TH'ers, this area is VAST and DESOLATE! That's the only way she's been able to keep her secrets for these many hundreds of years. There are many REAL caches of treasure lost to time in the rough rectagle comprising California, Arizona, Utah, and Nevada. All the research in the world will only prove that a particular treasure actually exists, and is more than a fable. It's only when you pull the car over to the side of the road, get and look, and see nothing but sand and rocks all around you from horizon to horizon that you begin to comprehend just how rare and fantastic finding anything at really is!

    All the great stories of found caches happened mostly by chance. I know there are some that were looked specifically for and found that never made it to the papers, because the finders were not only persistant, but smart as well to keep quiet!
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    Re: The Pearl Ship

    Quote Originally Posted by cptbil
    To all:
    If you'll check some VERY! Early Spanish Maps, you find that they show CA., as an Island!
    Look at a modern Aerial photo/map of CA. and you can plainly see, the explaination, of why!
    Actually, Cpt. Bill, you are absolutely correct! Here is an old Spanish Map of the New World, and you will notice that California is named "CALIFORNIE ISLE"

    Enjoy-Mike
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    Re: The Pearl Ship

    Here is a 1740 map showing Ca as an island...
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    Re: The Pearl Ship

    Hate to ruin a great story, but didn't Iturbe say he was having problems with Natives before he abandoned ship? Don't you think said natives would have raided the ship as soon as they knew the crew was gone?
    I have read over a dozen stories of sightings of this ship and have even mapped/extrapolated a general area of interest, but I don't believe any treasure will be found. None of the stories going back several hundred years mention anyone seeing any pearls or anything else in the ship.

    grizzly bare

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    Re: The Pearl Ship

    Whether it is the Spanish "Iturbe" Ship or another More Ancient Vessel, one would think that if there was Indian-Related problems, the Masters of the Ship would have "SCUTTLED" the Vessel, or, purposely Sank it at some location and "noted" in the ship's Manifest or Log, if it was "Spanish".....So where are the Scholars here that have investigated the Archives in Mexico, dealing with this Legendary Story?.....So, Lake Cahuilla disappeared approx. 400 years ago....I would check the weather patterns and the history of them in this area...Anyone that is familiar with this area and, or lives out that-a-way will be able to tell about which way the "wind" normally maintains it's flow....Every area in the world has a main normal flow of wind, where I live it's normal flow is from the southwest to the north east...I mean, we are talking about a "Masted Ship", are we not? Anyone that spends considerable amounts of lengths of time in the outdoors (like me), will be able to discern the normal wind direction (even if there's no wind), simply by studying Mother Nature's Floral and Fauna, which it's growth is subject to...NO ONE LEAVES A TREASURE GALLEON UNPROTECTED AND SUBJECT TO "INTERESTED OTHERS" or "THE ELEMENTS"....It this Ship of whatever Culture Exists, IT WAS PURPOSELY PLACED AT A KEY LOCATION...To be Salvaged at a Later Time...Also, Ithurbe and his remaining crew "WALKED" back to Mexico? Which side of the Lake would he "most favor of"? He's got a vast amount of water with Mountains all around him and his decision to make a bee-line for Mexico has to be accurate, he certainly does not want to go west to the Santa Rosa's, so where does he go to make his trek? Where does he land his Ship to Protect it.....Archaeological Reports, their Data, countless Books of the area, can VERIFY pretty close to where all of the Indian Villages once existed there....So, chances are, the Ship would not be found in that area........The FISH CREEK MTNS. would be a good Target as well as the Superstition Hills, both VERY MYSTERIOUS AREAS,..... Happy Trails To You

 

 
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