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  1. #1
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    May 2008
    Pennsylvania
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    State Game Lands rules

    I sent an email tto inquire on metal detecting on Game Lands, this is the response I got. It is still a little unclear, to me, if it is allowed or not. #6 below seems to say we can't.

    We do not have regulations regarding metal detecting, per se. However, there are several regulations regarding State Game Lands use that may prevent certain aspects. Also, as you will see from the SGL regs that follow, there are certain times of the year -- primarily the hunting seasons -- in which visitors to SGLs must wear the appropriate amount of blaze orange for obvious reasons

    Here are the two sections of the Game Commission regulations that you need to be aware of:

    135.2. Unlawful actions.

    In addition to the prohibitions in the act on lands, waters or buildings under Commission ownership, lease or jurisdiction, it is unlawful, except with the permission of the person in charge of the lands, to:

    (1) Camp or use campsites.

    (2) Plant, gather, cut, dig, remove or otherwise injure plants or parts thereof, including trees, shrubs, vines, flowering plants, cultivated crops, mushrooms and fruits of berry-producing plants.

    (3) Travel on lands by means of vehicle or conveyance propelled by motorized power. This prohibition does not include the travel by individuals permanently confined to a wheelchair propelled by electric power obtained from batteries. Individuals desiring to hunt from an electric powered wheelchair shall have a disabled person permit under section 2923 of the act (relating to disabled person permits).

    (4) Swim in a dam, pond, lake or stream.

    (5) Injure, destroy or cause damage to property-real, personal or mixed.

    (6) Remove or attempt to remove any manmade or natural object except wildlife and fish lawfully taken during the open season. Objects which may not be removed include animals, rocks, minerals, sand and historical or archaeological artifacts.

    (7) Participate in, become a part of, contribute to or engage in disorderly conduct as defined in 18 Pa.C.S. 5503 and 5505 (relating to disorderly conduct; and public drunkenness).

    (8) Kindle, use or maintain an open fire.

    (9) Travel on roads open to vehicular travel with vehicle or conveyance propelled by motorized power which is not licensed or authorized for operation on a public highway under 75 Pa.C.S. (relating to the Vehicle Code).

    (10) Violate, fail or neglect to follow instructions posted on signs authorized by the Director.

    (11) Travel by mechanical or motorized conveyance or ride animals on newly constructed, seeded or planted roads, or other areas, when posted against the travel.

    135.41. State game lands.

    (a) Restrictions limited. The following exceptions to 135.2 (relating to unlawful actions) pertain to lands and waters designated as State game lands:

    (1) Mushrooms and fruits of berry-producing plants may be picked.

    (2) Small open fires for cooking or warming purposes are permitted only at places where adequate precautions are taken to prevent the spread of fire which may damage adjacent areas and shall be attended at all times and completely extinguished before leaving the site of the fire. Open fires are prohibited when the fire index rating used by the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources, is high, very high or extreme. A person causing a wildfire, in addition to possible criminal penalty, is liable for all damages, cost of extinguishing and fines.

    (3) Snowmobiles, as defined in 75 Pa.C.S. 7702 (relating to definitions) may be driven beginning on the third Sunday in January through April 1 on designated areas, roads and trails marked with appropriate signs, so long as snowmobiles are registered and display valid registration decal as required under 75 Pa.C.S. 7711.1 and 7711.2 (relating to registration of snowmobile or ATV; and limited registration of snowmobile or ATV).

    (b) Closure of game lands.

    (1) When the threat of forest fires exists, the Director has emergency authority to restrict the use of smoking materials on State game lands or to close State game lands to hunting, trapping, fishing, recreational use and other activity which may be or become detrimental to those lands or the flora or fauna thereon until the Director removes the restrictions. Emergency restrictions or closures will be announced to the news media.

    (2) The Director has the authority to close State game lands or portions thereof, to recreational or other uses, when the specified uses may be or have become detrimental to those lands or the flora or fauna thereon, or where the uses conflict with legal hunting, furtaking or fishing activities or the Commission's management or administration of State game lands. The closure may be seasonal or year-round and shall remain in effect until the Director removes the restrictions.

    (3) It is unlawful to violate restrictions or closure placed on these lands by the Director.

    (c) Additional prohibitions. In addition to the prohibitions contained in the act pertaining to State game lands and 135.2, except with the written permission of the Director, it is unlawful to:

    (1) Contaminate, pollute or degrade groundwaters or surface waters or any waterways.

    (2) Graze or permit the grazing of livestock, place or maintain beehives or beekeeping apparatus.

    (3) Solicit, or place advertisements, signs or posters.

    (4) Ride a nonmotorized vehicle, conveyance or animal, except on roads normally open to public travel, or designated routes as posted, or while lawfully engaged in hunting, trapping or fishing.

    (5) Ride a nonmotorized vehicle, conveyance or animal from the last Saturday in September until the third Saturday in January, and before 1 p.m. from the second Saturday in April through the last Saturday in May inclusive, except on Sundays or while lawfully engaged in hunting, trapping or fishing.

    (6) Ride a nonmotorized vehicle, conveyance or animal on roads open to foot travel only.

    (7) Drive motor vehicles with or without attachments having a registered gross vehicle weight in excess of 12,000 pounds.

    (8) Use boats propelled by a motor. Battery powered electric motors may be used on waterways unless posted otherwise.

    (9) Consume, possess or transport any alcohol, liquor, beer, malt or brewed alcoholic beverage.

    (10) Use or possess any controlled substance as defined or classified under The Controlled Substance, Drug, Device and Cosmetic Act (35 P. S. 780-101-780-143).

    (11) Occupy, use or construct, place or maintain structures or other tangible property, except that portable hunting blinds or stands may be used, provided no visible damage is caused to trees.

    (12) Feed wildlife or lay or place any food, fruit, hay, grain, chemical, salt or other minerals.

    (13) Release domestic animals, captive bred or captive raised game or wildlife.

    (14) Operate a motor vehicle in willful and wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property or in excess of posted speed limits, or where no speed limit is posted, in excess of 25 miles per hour.

    (15) Target shoot with firearms, bows and arrows or devices capable of launching projectiles in a manner that could cause injury to persons or property, or on areas posted closed to those activities.

    (16) Except as provided in Subchapter J (relating to shooting ranges), discharge any firearm, bow and arrow, or device capable of launching projectiles that is not a lawful device to hunt game or wildlife.

    (17) Engage in an activity or event involving more than ten persons, which may conflict with the intended purposes or uses as defined in section 722 of the act (relating to use of property), or poses a potential environmental or safety problem.

    (18) Sell, distribute, deliver, service, guide or rent any equipment, material or commodity or otherwise transact or engage in any commercial activity. Commercial activity is any activity in which a person directly or indirectly accepts consideration of value as compensation for the provision of goods or services, including transportation.

    (19) Use State game lands for any personal, organizational or commercial purpose other than the intended use as defined in section 722 of the act.

    (20) Operate under authority of a contract, lease, agreement or permit and fail to abide by the terms and conditions contained in the contract, lease, agreement or permit.

    (21) Except on Sundays, be present on State game lands from November 15 through December 15 inclusive when not engaged in lawful hunting or trapping and fail to wear a minimum of 250 square inches of daylight fluorescent orange-colored material on the head, chest and back combined or, in lieu thereof, a hat of the same colored material. The material shall be worn so it is visible in a 360 arc. Persons using shooting ranges are exempted from this requirement.


  2. #2
    us
    MDing

    Dec 2008
    Girard Pa
    Bounty Hunter QDII / Cen Tec Pinpointer
    401

    Re: State Game Lands rules

    I feel the small amount of detecting a person does on the game land is very very minimal.
    I would detect on the game lands, in fact i have one spot I plan on going to this spring. Before or after spring Turkey not during.
    MDing is like a box of chocolates, you never know what your gonna get.
    Or is that Life is like a............... no matter it is the same thing

  3. #3
    us
    May 2008
    Pennsylvania
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    Re: State Game Lands rules

    girardpaguy
    I feel the same, however, on the game lands in this area there are tons of spots that would be nice to detect. I have the old maps and can point them out to you sometime. It was part of the old Moravian grant and takes up a large portion of the game lands. As you probaly know it was later owned by USX before being sold to the state. Seems like the state wants to own most of the shore line out here.

  4. #4
    us
    May 2008
    Pennsylvania
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    Re: State Game Lands rules

    Well they did not flat out say NO. Hmmmmm, i think I remember loosing that hunting knife.....

  5. #5
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    MDing

    Dec 2008
    Girard Pa
    Bounty Hunter QDII / Cen Tec Pinpointer
    401

    Re: State Game Lands rules

    stewystarr

    Funny you should mention USX......lol I hunt there (deer that is) and there is an old stone foundation there that i have been dieing to swing around. I'm sure there is a lot of junk there but you never know.

    I e mailed you here yesterday, did you get it?
    MDing is like a box of chocolates, you never know what your gonna get.
    Or is that Life is like a............... no matter it is the same thing

  6. #6
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    us
    MINELAB XS-2 Pro ....... XTERRA 305 ....... EXPLORER SE PRO

    Dec 2003
    S.W. Schuylkill County
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    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Re: State Game Lands rules

    by This

    "it is unlawful, except with the permission of the person in charge of the lands"

    I would Guess
    the Ranger in charge has the Authority to say Yes or no


    In response to this

    (6) Remove or attempt to remove any manmade or natural object except wildlife and fish lawfully taken during the open season. Objects which may not be removed include animals, rocks, minerals, sand and historical or archaeological artifacts.

    This letter was Circulted years ago by the F.M.D.A.C.

    however nobody at the Game Commission
    will Acknowledge it or who Mr. Schmit is or was

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    If you have a hard time Reading it

    "As I Mentioned over the Telephone,
    we'll use discreation in persuing those
    in violation of subsection "6".
    The casual hobbyist who finds scattered
    or occasional objects is not
    violating the intent of this regulation.
    we do, however, mean to curtail
    organized or large scale digs of
    historical sites, etc.
    common sense should
    guide us all this way."

  7. #7
    us
    MDing

    Dec 2008
    Girard Pa
    Bounty Hunter QDII / Cen Tec Pinpointer
    401

    Re: State Game Lands rules

    Thats very interesting Jeff..................very interesting
    MDing is like a box of chocolates, you never know what your gonna get.
    Or is that Life is like a............... no matter it is the same thing

  8. #8

    Jun 2006
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    Re: State Game Lands rules

    I was digging very near State Game Lands in the spring of '02, when I found a lumber camp on the game lands. It was still legal to dig on that land during that time. I had planned on digging there the following spring. I believe they passed the law against digging on State Game Lands in Feb. '03. I understand you may not remove anything man made from game lands such as bottles, relics, arrow heads, etc. And yet your letter is dated in May of '03, a couple months after the law was passed. Maybe this person was unsure of the law.

  9. #9
    us
    May 2008
    Pennsylvania
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    Re: State Game Lands rules

    girardpaguy, yes I got it. Spent all day yesterday fixing my broken detector and part of today. It's working now. Thats why I did not get back to you. Just let me know when you would like to get together, either to hunt, or share a couple of spots for future hunts.

    As far as I can tell, They frown on detecting game lands but it is more to keep groups out and not individuals. I think I'll just use the hunting knife excuse if I decide to try. I think I might go on a little "Fact finding mission" out there tomorrow to locate a couple of likely spots. The area was first seteled, or used, in the late 1700's so the potential is there for some good old coins.

    According to the old maps, there are quite a few old homes that were located there and I have personaly found cellar holes and foundations in and around the game lands. I won't put locations on this forum in case big brother might be watching.

  10. #10
    Charter Member
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    MINELAB XS-2 Pro ....... XTERRA 305 ....... EXPLORER SE PRO

    Dec 2003
    S.W. Schuylkill County
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    Re: State Game Lands rules

    while I Was on a Driving tour of
    a state Game land Once I Brought it up,
    while stopped at a Ghost town.

    (This was somewhere around the Turn of the Century)

    The Officer told me He would like to hunt it too.

    Said Legally I Can detect , Dig up, look at,
    And take a Picture of the find.

    But I Gotta let it lay there so others can see it,
    or rebury it after

    When I Told him Flat-out "Yea Right"
    It's going with me if it's a gold coin

    he laughed and said
    "This is why if we see somone detecting
    We tell them to pack-up and Leave"

  11. #11

    Nov 2007
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    Re: State Game Lands rules

    Hey Guys:
    Back in the late 80s,the game commission wanted to make sgl hunting and fishing only. No hiking,no nothing. A group of people,which I forget the name right now,said in essence ,if you want private hunting and fishing grounds ,instead of public land , the sglands should be taxed. I don't remember if it was a lawsuite or not ,but the game commission didn't want to pay taxes on there land,and the group won.I believe this was in 1987 or 1988. My local paper had run three or so articles about this. If your local library has newspapers or microfiche of that time frame you should look it up.

  12. #12
    us
    Dec 2008
    Berks Co. PA
    Bounty Hunter Tracker IV & GC1023
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    Re: State Game Lands rules


    however nobody at the Game Commission
    will Acknowledge it or who Mr. Schmit is or was


    Mike R. Schmit is listed as a deputy executive director.
    "If your not living on the edge your taking up too much room."

  13. #13
    us
    Aug 2007
    Pittsburgh, PA, USA.
    White's Vision, White's 6000DI Pro
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    Re: State Game Lands rules

    Quote Originally Posted by P.B. and Dylan

    however nobody at the Game Commission
    will Acknowledge it or who Mr. Schmit is or was


    Mike R. Schmit is listed as a deputy executive director.
    So I wonder who the Duane is that recieved the letter. Was he with the FMDAC? It would be nice to know if you carried the letter and stopped by a ranger to show him the letter and who each person is.

    I'd say a deputy executive director is someone that would know the intention of the law.

    Al
    I think...therefore I am.

  14. #14
    us
    Sep 2010
    southeast PA
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    61 times

    Re: State Game Lands rules

    that sounds like a plan.....i'll just make a copy of that letter and when the ranger asks..my name is duane (it actually is my middle name..lol )
    down and dirty

  15. #15
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    Jul 2011
    761
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    Metal Detecting

    Re: State Game Lands rules

    7-18-2011

    I asked the PA Game Commission today if I could detect the parking lot at the entrance to one of their game lands.
    He told me that I could not as the law states such cannot be done in Pa Game Lands.
    So is the parking lot considered part of the game lands?
    To me that seems kind of harsh.

    CoilFisher=I fish with a coil.

    http://detectingrights.com/ Join today!

    Use a Lesche and a pinpointer and CUT the plug!
    Don't use shovels and trowels in parks to dig holes.*Preserve the hobby.*

 

 
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