Buried "treasure" in Southeastern Pennsylvania

[vor]

I agree with this part of Vor's post , but disagree on destroying it

Jeff
I didn't say to "destroy" it. Think of it more like harvesting the jewels entombed within.

Fly
This one? Yard sale items stolen - phillyburbs.com: The Intelligencer: richland police,

I don't think that they were cast from the same mold. If the patio lion was truly old, it would probably be made of carved limestone..

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[flyadive]

Thanks V. That should keep Sepa's DEMANDS at bay for now!
He seems to speak to me differently lately but he's very carfull what he says to some of you others, probably because you guys won't put up with it like I do.??
Anyway I shot Richland an Email. Will have to wait and see.

[SEPaMan]

flyadive, if you don't intend to fully investigate your discovery then you may as well hand over the lion to someone else. It does no one any good simply decorating your mantle. You are the only person capable of verifying vor's claim. If you included a picture in the email to Richland PD they can easily check with the residents who reported the theft. Nevertheless it would be wise to have the lion x-rayed. Didn't you suggest it could be done for free while passing through one of the many airports you frequent?

Highlighting the importance of your potential contributions does not equate to making a demand. If you think discovery doesn't include an obligation to act upon it then your finds won't get us anywhere. No discovery would be of any value using such reasoning.

[flyadive]

flyadive, if you don't intend to fully investigate your discovery then you may as well hand over the lion to someone else. It does no one any good simply decorating your mantle. You are the only person capable of verifying vor's claim. If you included a picture in the email to Richland PD they can easily check with the residents who reported the theft. Nevertheless it would be wise to have the lion x-rayed. Didn't you suggest it could be done for free while passing through one of the many airports you frequent?

Highlighting the importance of your potential contributions does not equate to making a demand. If you think discovery doesn't include an obligation to act upon it then your finds won't get us anywhere. No discovery would be of any value using such reasoning.

Anyone could verify VOR's claims. Why should I have to. I am willing to though. Anyone could do a search and make claims and then we have to confirm every distraction. Do you honestly believe the statue I found and the lion VOR found on a search engine is the same? I don't think so. If VOR wants to make such claims then he should prove it, not you or I . I did send Richland PD an email an I am suppose to receive a reply in 24/48 hours. Will see.

As far as X-raying goes, I plan on flying over to Reading or Lancaster or maybe trenton mercer and see if they would let me photograph an X-ray Of the statue. But that claim I brought upon myself. No one else made that clam. Just wishful thinking by me.

[SEPaMan]

Citiboy289, I take it this issue will become the newest distraction.

flyadive told me "up urs" in Post #3977. Who cares. I'm trying to highlight the value of his potential contributions. He has the lion and he's the only one who can settle this.

[flyadive]

Citiboy289, I take it this issue will become the newest distraction.

flyadive told me "up urs" in Post #3977. Who cares. I'm trying to highlight the value of his potential contributions. He has the lion and he's the only one who can settle this.

Okay okay sorry about that "up urs" post geez I had a bad day along with a few drinks.
I expect your understanding... One alcoholic to another. Lol

[SEPaMan]

flyadive, obviously you don't have to verify vor's claims, but you're the only one who can, and moreover it can be done with relative ease: an email to Richland PD and a quick detour to the x-ray machine at your earliest convenience. vor can't prove anything unless you hand over the lion to him. He's concerned it might be stolen property but he wants to smash it just the same. And if there are diamonds inside, then what? The reasonable thing is to validate what you can. And I don't care if you said "up yours" 2 weeks ago, nor was I angling for an apology, my point to Citiboy289 is that haggling over insults - real or perceived - is only one more way to drive the thread off topic. Intent remains ambiguous, but the result is very apparent.

[jeff of pa]

Jeff
I didn't say to "destroy" it. Think of it more like harvesting the jewels entombed within.

Fly
This one? Yard sale items stolen - phillyburbs.com: The Intelligencer: richland police,

I don't think that they were cast from the same mold. If the patio lion was truly old, it would probably be made of carved limestone..

re your comment

Ever call Richland PD or crack that baby open ?

you have to know if he contacts PD it's gone forever.
they will have to "take it and investigate",& "don't call us,
We'll call you" wink wink nudge nudge.

and crack that baby open puts more sad thoughts in my head




I don't remember catching a Pic of the bottom of the Lion on here.
If it were to have been filled with something, it should be easy to see
filling on the bottom. ( or center of the back)Even if in the unlikely event a professional sealed it,
a drill to the center of the bottom would easily tell you if it contains something
foreign. it's the same as taking core samples.

unless it was a cheap knockoff made in a kiln, at a ceramic class,
My guess the bottom is filled with lead or similar Heavy sand, to help make it stand upright in high winds.

[SEPaMan]

jeff of pa, excellent point. It makes more sense for flyadive to send a photo to Richland PD. That way they can take a copy to the people who reported the theft and confirm with them. Otherwise it would probably disappear into an evidence locker and never see the light of day. I asked Scatman about this and he guesses a follow-up will be "abysmally low" on the PD's list of priorities. Maybe fly can hurry things along by telling them the lion is full of diamonds!


Satyr with Urn, Italian, 16th century (Walters Art Museum, Baltimore). An x-ray pinpointed the location of metal plugs and wax drippings in this statue. I can't find any more information about it but I guess that suggests cire perdue? Clearly anomalies can be easily distinguished. A modern airport x-ray should lay this matter to rest.

I'm curious about the material as well. Even concrete has been around since the Roman Empire so barring chemical testing we won't be able to assign an age, unless something else gives it away. Any ideas?

[jeff of pa]

Sepa I don't know your PD , but do you really think he can send a photo to
them And they'll play that game ?

that's like taking the Golden arches and Saying see I got the Pic to prove it

unless your closely related to them or run the local donut shop where they get freebies,
your withholding unfortunately .

OH and no I don't have it in for the police,
I just know where they get their kicks
and it's not from public service

[SEPaMan]

jeff, it probably depends on the department, which officer is assigned to the call, whether or not he's had a bad day, things like that. flyadive lives out of state so it's reasonable that he send a photo rather than drive the lion all the way to Richland on the off chance it's the same one. I'm sure the cops will understand. A photo makes it easier on them anyway.

What am I withholding?

[jeff of pa]

jeff,

What am I withholding?

you ? , Nothing


in this case I tried to use it , in a short way, to explain
By sending a picture of a possible stolen item, someone picked up and asking if it's stolen,
is the same as picking up a wallet, sending a picture, and asking the police if someone wants it back.
when it comes to anything, you don't own, as far as the police are concerned you must leave it there or turn it
in to them. I suppose it is possible they may understand distances, they may also question
timing & why not turn it in when found ? as you said it all depends on the ocifer who is assigned.
just saying, I would not take those odds

I trust People, Kids & Crack addicts. I do not trust people that can legally take Money or freedom from me at their discretion

[flyadive]

you ? , Nothing

in this case I tried to use it , in a short way, to explain
By sending a picture of a possible stolen item, someone picked up and asking if it's stolen,
is the same as picking up a wallet, sending a picture, and asking the police if someone wants it back.
when it comes to anything, you don't own, as far as the police are concerned you must leave it there or turn it
in to them. I suppose it is possible they may understand distances, they may also question
timing & why not turn it in when found ? as you said it all depends on the ocifer who is assigned.
just saying, I would not take those odds

I trust People, Kids & Crack addicts. I do not trust people that can legally take Money or freedom from me at their discretion

Your correct Jeff, what was I thinking. And sepa was a cop for a couple years also. Go figure.
As far as testing goes, I'll opt for nondestructive testing for now. It did cross my mind to hollow it out though. There is nothing metal that my MD can find.

[jeff of pa]

There is nothing metal that my MD can find.

then there is nothing metal LOL the detector definitely would have found it

[SEPaMan]

flyadive, Scatman is ex-LEO for a reason, I can guarantee he trusts the police less than anyone here.

[releventchair]

Fly, any medical school(s) nearby with a cat scan machine?, showing no metal with detector would relieve their worries . Experimenting on different mass would be incentive. If they ran it with another item during a test or training their time and cost would be negligible.
While not easy to find,it was in a spot likely to be discovered,how much risk if concealing valuables?

[vor]

And sepa was a cop for a couple years also. Go figure.

Sepa
The reference wasn't to the scatman. Read again.

Jeff
I believe that the diamonds were mixed with the slurry when they poured it in the mold and no plug would be used to load it up. If you are going to get it tested, an airport x-ray will not show diamonds. Though they can be detected by x-ray, an experienced technician and special equipment would be needed.

You must of had a bad experience with the boys in blue.

Let's crack it open and find out. If you are going to the police, I believe Warrington would have jurisdiction and would possibly confiscated it. But, if you grind it up and pass it through a sieve...Just sayin.

V

[doverturtle]

I highly doubt there is anything of value inside the lion. It was intended to be a marker, nothing more, nothing less.

[vor]

I highly doubt there is anything of value inside the lion. It was intended to be a marker, nothing more, nothing less.

Dover
I heard that devil worshipers used it, along with the Hollow Maple, as an altar for sacrifices or something. It has to be valuable if they want it back. Remember the ransom note?

Sepa even says that it does no good to just sit on the mantle though it is Fly's prerogative as to what to do with it.

[jeff of pa]

Dover
I heard that devil worshipers used it, along with the Hollow Maple, as an altar for sacrifices or something. It has to be valuable if they want it back. Remember the ransom note?

Sepa even says that it does no good to just sit on the mantle though it is Fly's prerogative as to what to do with it.

trust me devil worshipers real or Christian would not use a tree and a lion statue
both would use a slab.
real ones may have a virgin lie on it, and they would do a pretend sacrafice.
Christian devil worshipers would kill a small animal