Buried "treasure" in Southeastern Pennsylvania

[jeff of pa]

The Lion is a train, the tree is a tressle, The iron in the ground are the train tracks entering a tunnel, The sun shines in the tunnel quite a way at 9 am so the tunnel opening faces East. OK who's good on the book portion? FrankAttachment 646482

Excellent Frankn ! Book could even Be "book" would definitely have a chance of staying dry in there

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[jeff of pa]

Now is there, or was there a train, tressel and tunnel in Warrington Co. near Bradford Reservoid ?

Correction

Warrington "Township" , Bucks County

[SEPaMan]

Good thinking Frankn & jeff of pa but as lorddean13 said there are no railways or tunnels in Warrington. I like the idea of a previous poster who suggested that an iron object was buried within 70 feet or "paces" of the tree and the clues led on from there. I guess if that were the case, given the measurements, all the clues and the treasure would be pretty close to one another. Is this the way treasure is normally buried? I've looked through some other posts on the forum and most of the treasure stories just involve a single clue which is the actual location of the buried loot. How common is a sequence of clues?

[Frankn]

SEPaMan, Most caches are located from stories, You research the names, dates, locations to see if they all jive, if so you home in on the location. This story is more like a game of hide and seek. There are few "hard" facts to support the story and no where to start. It is like the Beale code series. There is no starting point and no target, just a set of numbers, so everyone is playing with it, I don't think anyone is serious.

[Kentucky Kache]

The sun shining underground sounds like gold in the ground.

[cw0909]

SEPaMan,im hoping in a few days i will have the name of the person,that supposedly
left the clue/s you posted,and with a little more research,i should be able to tell if the
guy,did have the $$$ to bury

[585925]

This area is only 30 minutes from where our metal detecting club meets. Would you be willing to come to our club and speak?

[SEPaMan]

What is the "exchange rate" between feet and paces? I thought paces were heel-to-toe steps.

The impression I received from my neighbor was that his grandfather wasn't just squirreling away money, but leaving behind an adventure for his children and grandchildren. Apparently this man was a storyteller, a historian, an adventurer, a collector of local folklore, and probably too old fashioned for his time, not to mention a wealthy eccentric. His burial was done in secret because no local cemetery would allow an Anglo-Saxon barrow to be raised on their grounds. As I said, eccentric. You can get away with crazy when you have money. And he wanted his money to stay with family, but not without a quest worth telling.

Now of course I have a financial interest in some people going after the treasure, so I will defend the validity of the story. But still, hearing the obvious doubt of some of the posters here, I can't help but feel a bit offended on behalf of my friend and neighbor, who I trust implicitly, and whose grandfather I understand was a very well respected man. Although maybe your skepticism is an advantage. I know little about treasure, but one thing I can guess is that the fewer people that go hunting for it, the better it is for the finder!

Again, thanks for your interest and keep telling your colleagues.

[MinerGirl]

Here's my idea:

MinerGirl

[MinerGirl]

Here is the

[releventchair]

No offence any one,i respect all your ideas. Sun shining underground could be a well. All reference to suns rays,if actual sun would be dependent on time of year?. Must be some permanence to clues,stonework,memorials,building facades?. Being familiar with area and its history would of course be big help here. Culverts or bypass works at reservoir ect. Thanks for interesting thread.now i,m debating using the sun at 72 degrees(june near me),a clock or a compass or all!.

[releventchair]

Need to see site. A lion would be where found,all clues could be close in town but i,m speculating too much. Have fun,neat to see various ideas. Would be a neat field trip with a bunch of thers! Lorddean13 looks like you,ll be our eyes? lions tree,king richards family? ,,courthouse steps? David judaism?lions club?sports records?lions three?he he. warrington township hall gate has a crest on it i can,t read. Heavy german population at one time,don,t know if it relates. One penn."school" has a great stone lion,mountain lion,in a grove of trees. Dedicated 1942?. The state seal on backside has an african lion,representing tyranny. Does specie matter or is a tree where tyranny elevates itself?

[doverturtle]

I'm thinking the cache, if there is one, is not at the reservoir. This family evidently spent decades trying to find the treasure. I would have to think in that amount of time someone should have been able to find the starting point, the lion's tree, if it were there. SEPaMan, do you know how and when the "clues" were first given to the family members? There obviously had to be some family members in the know if there is supposed to be a cache in the grandfather's barrow.

[MinerGirl]

Hi all...

[releventchair]

Not packed yet. Awaiting farther development. Thread serving purpose,must be more than tourism. Anyone seen the movie rat race?

[franklin]

I am not negative on your post, I am negative on a story without any documented proof. What about an address where his grandfather once lived? Where he hoarded the metals in trunks, I would rather start my search here than at some resevoir out in the woodlands looking for a lion's tree. If your neighbor or whomever truly wants this treasure recovered most treasure hunters on this forum would willing give him a lion's share of the treasure for more information. With the information you have posted I would not turn over to get up off the couch.

Not only this how can he be harassed he says he moved to the west coast?

[SEPaMan]

cw0909 - How do you determine whether or not a deceased man was wealthy enough to bury a "treasure" ?

585925 - Sorry no, I probably shouldn't get involved beyond the mailings and postings, I still want to get paid!

MinerGirl - Great ideas, this forum is lucky to have you. How does the code relate to the Bible? There's been talk from other posters about needing a certain book to "crack" the code. Is that book the Bible? How would you even know? I'm looking forward to hearing more. By the way my neighbor is of somewhat recent English ancestry, nice catch, I definitely came to the right place. What do you mean by associated legends?

relevantchair - Again, I like to see ideas and speculation tossed around. My neighbor would love it! Thanks for your interest.

lorddean13 - Excited to hear what you find. Who knows, you might even wind up calling my house or knocking on my door. It's so cool that after all these years of hearing the stories, someone might solve the mystery at last. And don't let the historical society play dumb when you visit, I sent them the letter too.

doverturtle - As I understand it, the clues reproduced in the letter were given to the family many years before the grandfather's death, as his now-adult grandchildren were searching for it when they were kids. He continued to hoard and bury valuables until he died, linking the treasures to one another through a network of clues. He was a treasure hunter too and this sort of thing was his hobby. I guess he was setting up a kind of "legacy" for his family, you know something to leave behind, an adventure through which he could be remembered. As for the barrow he supposedly had an agreement with some friends that they would build a mound for him when he died, but who knows they might have never put the final treasure inside or maybe they raided it for money later. But the location is revealed in the other clues I'm told. Even if it's empty of treasure, the man is still buried there, and there are some things in the mound that probably wouldn't have been stolen, like swords and old books he loved and other personal possessions. I hope that helps!

Frankn - I'm sorry as I've said before I don't know a thing about treasure hunting, so I don't know how hunts typically go. I can't give you the address of his grandfather's house because I'm not supposed to, but I think I said it was in the area of Bradford Avenue and Bradford Reservoir, and some of the people on this forum seem to think they can find it just with that little bit of information, so it shouldn't be a problem from what I've heard. Not sure exactly what my neighbor's motivations are, only that he enjoyed the hunt and I guess wants others to do so. I don't want the treasure myself so why should it matter if he doesn't?

Thank you for all the interest, and keep up the good work. Tell your colleagues!

[Kentucky Kache]

Even if it's empty of treasure, the man is still buried there, and there are some things in the mound that probably wouldn't have been stolen, like swords and old books he loved and other personal possessions.

Books? Books?

[releventchair]

hmm if neighbor is following story with enthusiasm your in contact right?your recompense would require that it seems. Access to research for family vrs.whats offered here,they kept no records of their efforts to pass with torch? Names would have been easily omitted. Hmm, thats a sticky wicket bit of hard cheese then.

[SEPaMan]

Frankn - My neighbor can't look for the treasure any longer, and in the spirit of what I thought was called "good sportsmanship" he decided to tell his story, but I guess what is good sportsmanship to some is suspicious to others. As for being paid, I assumed it was because he didn't know how to use a computer, although I'm not exactly the savviest myself when it comes to PCs and the Internet. Also there may have been a component of fear about the legality of sending anonymous letters. As for "caches" I had to look up the term to understand your point, but I really don't think the grandfather was making caches at all, I think he was setting up an elaborate treasure hunt for his family with surplus wealth he had acquired throughout his life, and spent years doing it, probably because it was something he deeply loved and wanted his children and grandchildren to experience the thrill of. Considering a number of forum members are stumped by the story and the clues, I think he did a good job of crafting a complex mystery. What fun would it be if he just told everyone where everything was buried?

Kentucky Kache - What about the books?

dogpound - Yes that would be grave robbing, but I have no idea if the man's friends actually stole the money from his barrow. It could still be there.

releventchair - If I understand your post you are speculating that my neighbor's family might have already discovered the treasure, correct? I think if that were the case my neighbor would have known, after all he was the one with the most interest and effort invested in the subject. But even if it's already been discovered and hauled off, the clues and the barrow should still be out there. I imagine the township (or a landowner) would want to know about an unmarked grave on their property.