Jul 19, 2012, 02:53 PM
dogpound - Unfortunately the irresponsible behavior of a select few treasure hunters has convinced me that surveilling the Bradford Forest would be in the best interest of the community, should any illegal activity take place. Moreover we may be able to draw conclusions from any observable pattern to the searches. As you said, I brought the treasure hunters to Warrington, I would be remiss not to take responsibility and make sure they stay above-board. In the event of an incident, evidence will be available.
vor - I have promised no one treasure. My neighbor took his story public in the hopes that a collaborative effort amongst professional treasure hunters might solve his family's mystery and shed light upon his grandfather's legacy. Needless to say the response has not been completely professional. If the story hasn't satisfied your standards, then this thread isn't the place for you. We are and always have been investigating the possibility of treasure in the Bradford Forest, and investigations aren't always cut and dry. Sometimes your leads are confusing and the puzzle pieces don't fit. Sometimes people who could otherwise contribute become frustrated by the perceived futility of the endeavor and turn aside, and sometimes those people return to disrupt the efforts of those who remain faithful. There will always be someone to tell you that you can't accomplish what you've set out to do. If the who, what, where, when, why, and how of this matter were known already, the treasure would have been recovered decades ago and there would be no need to publicize the story. But unfortunately for my neighbor and his family they cannot "unearth" the truth despite the time they've been given to dig, and we turn to the treasure hunting community for aid, and the community does a fantastic job of illustrating why it's so alienated from the general public: secrecy, doubt, mockery, and mistrust. Not the best way to welcome outsiders. But then again you don't like outsiders, do you? And an outsider am I. But I'm not offended, you're still welcome to be a part of the investigation, vor. We don't need to fire insults at one another all day. It contributes nothing to the discussion. But at the moment I see no reason why I should curtail my accusations if you don't curtail yours. You have no more reason to be trusted than I. In the end, forum members will examine the evidence themselves and come to their own conclusions, irrespective of our bickering. You cannot tell them what to think. Even though you know the story is a "hoax". Don't be one of those people who only knows and never questions. As for myself, I've always been on the fence, and it can go either way, but not without investigation. Discoveries are not made hiding behind a computer and stoking flame wars on the Internet. Discoveries are made on your feet, in the field, with "boots on the ground" as Frankn would say, with a lot of hope and maybe some luck, and with the strength to stand against those who say "No, you can't." To them I say "Yes, I can".
doverturtle - If I'm not mistaken, cw0909 is working that angle right now. He should be able to tell us if the taxes went unpaid or if a bank account existed to handle it. If the latter, could anyone who found the deeds legally gain rights to the property?
AC1955 - I believe they're public "for a price" in Bucks County, PA, so I've been told.
Jul 19, 2012 02:53 PM
Jul 19, 2012, 03:39 PM
Like I said, you have tenacity to stick to your silly fairy tale of treasure. While you did not promise that treasure would be found you have carried on this elaborate ruse of mystery notes and letters alluding to the fact that there is a small fortune in scrap iron, stemware and coins (at least 1.6 million pennies) and it is free for the taking.
Hey, I put out a map showing the lake, creek and forest of no return which is the key to finding the remainder of the vaults. I even put out a photo of Natasha digging the map up in the cemetery (I can't believe that it did not even rate one "like" from this crowd). Now how about you putting out one of these documents that "your neighbor" has (you can redact any personal info)?
To help you in this journey, I'll give you another clue; if you overlay the brightest star in the constellation Ursa Minor (which contains the little dipper btw) with the X on my map and orient it 72 degrees, the vaults are located under the 4 brightest stars. The tricky part is that you have to correctly scale it down. The vaults contain, in the order of the brightest to dimmest star 1) Ben Franklins, 2) 2000 LF of 4 gauge copper wire, uninsulated 3) large drum of scrap pipe 4) a beautiful set of crystal stemware.
Next you take the 1.6 million visible stars in the Milky Way and project their locations to the earth to find each of the pennies.
And thanks for the invitation to stick around, I may take you up on it.
Jul 19, 2012, 04:06 PM
Sorry vor .Afraid to like, fear revenge of Arthur. Natasha not as scary,but its the threat of a drive by rabbit keeping me down. somebody serious out in forest. No interview. Another find?
Hey , I.don,t have all the answers but sometimes coffee tastes better over an open fire.
Jul 19, 2012, 04:07 PM
Sepa-this should help you with figuring out my clue
Last edited by vor; Jul 19, 2012 at 04:40 PM.
Reason: heard a voice
Jul 19, 2012, 04:54 PM
Originally Posted by SEPaMan
keep us posted.........besides now being a popular treasure hunting spot i'm sure its probably also a popular craigslist "man for man" meeting area so you should have alot of kodak moments
Jul 19, 2012, 05:13 PM
vor, you believe the story is a fairy tale, that is fine. Unfortunately our exchanges take up too much of my time, distract from the hunt, and contribute nothing. I can no longer respond to you, as I wish to focus my efforts on the treasure. I will always be willing to discuss the relevant issues, should you chose to do so, but I don't expect it. However I do appreciate the information you added in post #532: Red Lion Inn, Edward Hicks paintings, Iron Hill Farm, glacial drift, and the Gardenville tree. I've been researching these subjects extensively and will of course alert the forum if I find anything interesting.
Jul 19, 2012, 05:23 PM
releventchair, dogpound, my friend will continue to watch the forest. I'm thinking of recording the movements of treasure hunters on a map, what I hope to produce is an aerial image depicting their paths, where they stopped, what they did, how long they were there, etc. If we overlay enough of these searches upon one another maybe we can tease out a pattern and make a determination as to where we should (or shouldn't) look.
Jul 19, 2012, 05:32 PM
I'm still with you SEPaMan.
They almost had me also, You guys keep posting your idealistic ideas and the rest of us treasure hunters will be looking for the treasure, rabbits, owl scat and all!
Now let's get back to business.lets have an organized hunt next week If and when we find something I can promise you I will post it, especially if I find some crystal glass stemware.
No but lets get real here, who wants to join in for a day hunt. We can sit here and b s but not getting anywhere. This is the best thing we can do is to fill the area with metal detectors, know one will mess with us because of our numbers.
Come on get off your as$.
Jul 19, 2012, 06:28 PM
Being a guy from Pa.... I don't buy any of this at all.
Can't believe people are getting suckered into this.
I think...therefore I am.
Jul 19, 2012, 06:37 PM
flyadive, wish I could join you but I don't have a metal detector. Would still like to function in an advisory capacity. Anything you want to know about the area before you go, ask!
Jul 19, 2012, 06:42 PM
deepskyal, not sure if you've browsed the whole thread or not, mind telling us why you hold that opinion?
Jul 19, 2012, 06:51 PM
SEPaMan I do have a spare metal detector or you could point us in the right direction and advise us / take pics. Please join us unless you rather stay incognito.
Jul 19, 2012, 07:07 PM
I see it this way, there may be something buried, there may not be. Either it could be the biggest hunt I've been lucky enough to be a small part of, or it's the biggest prank I've ever fallen for. Either way, I'm game.
Would love to join a few of you for a weekend hunt, but seeing as how I'm in NE Indiana, doesn't look like it's going to happen. Take pics and keep us posted!
Jul 19, 2012, 07:09 PM
Since you do belong to TNET and live in PA then why wouldnt you want to come out and detect for a few hours. It's in your blood. Oh rite your already there. Nice try.
Originally Posted by deepskyal
Jul 19, 2012, 08:43 PM
SEPaMan...I've been reading this interesting thread you started, and I know you have some doubters on the site, and then there's some that are genuinely interested. I don't know any of you so I am in no way taking sides on the validity of this hunt, but I do agree with a comment made by one of those in doubt.
In comment #648 made by a member by the name of "vor"...he/she mentioned something about you putting out one or all of these "documents" that your neighbor has that the grandfather used to portray the clues. I agree with that statement. If your neighbor truly wants these "caches" to be found, and wants them to be found so badly that he/she is willing to pay you money to spread the word and to even have clues and the story written about in newspapers...then I would also believe that your neighbor would have no problem with you taking a scan/video/picture of whatever documentation they have from the grandfather regarding this issue....Right?
Maybe there is something that a person on this site would pick up on that you or Sonny did not...something with the paper stock, the writing instrument, stray markings, the actual language used, the penmanship, and so on. Again, this neighbor seems to have gone to such a length to get this story out there, for them not to provide any light or "proof of existance" on the actual grandfather's documentation, well to skeptics, this can seem like a tale passed down by word-of-mouth being used as the family's yearly gathering campfire story. As I've said above, I have no opinion on the validity of this whole thing, but am just adding my 2 cents of rational thought. I would love for something like this to be true, as I am not a treasure hunter or metal detector user, but I find it interesting being that I live right outside of Bucks county.
Jul 19, 2012, 09:33 PM
As big as that park is Im curious how would you track and record the movements of anyone with a metal detector.... And how would you know if they where just out for a day of metal detecting or looking for your stupid fake treasure?
Last edited by newport74; Jul 19, 2012 at 09:40 PM.
Jul 19, 2012, 09:49 PM
looking for humps and bumps
still looking for older files on the dam area,found LIDAR
Light Detection And Ranging... LIDAR - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the jpgs found here,im guessing,if you have the time you could look at all,13.8 sq mi (36 km2)
for a hump,bump on a old deed
for a hump,bump
441 bradford avenue ,18976
Pennsylvania Imagery Navigator and Download Tool
info on lidar hillside
technologly dosent go back far enough,hoping to find a comparison or something
the jpgs start at dam and kansas road and work north to N forest,and beyond power grid
Last edited by cw0909; Jul 19, 2012 at 09:54 PM.
Jul 19, 2012, 09:53 PM
flyadive - Sounds like fun, not sure about giving up my anonymity though, some of the forum members sound rabid Did you have a date and time in mind?
DeerStalker - Excellent point; "there may be something buried, there may not be". I never claimed there was treasure in the ground, I only espoused the possibility. Certain posters don't seem to understand that the only way to verify the story is to investigate. Glad to have you on board!
OldSchoolStyle - As I explained in earlier posts, my neighbor has all of his grandfather's documents out west. I haven't even seen them. In order to send them here via email or USPS he would need to have them copied and handled by third parties, and he is uncomfortable with that. At the moment I don't think it's likely. Perhaps this fails to satisfy your own personal standards, if so good luck in other endeavors!
Btw, which forum member do you think my friend encountered in the north forest? Anyone want to fess up?
Jul 19, 2012, 10:03 PM
if you are looking for bronze owls
Jul 19, 2012, 10:04 PM
newport74 - The graphic would only illustrate the movements of treasure hunters who were actually observed. For instance, we now know the path at least one hunter took through the north forest. I could draw it on a map for you if you like. The idea is that, after enough sightings, a pattern would emerge in the plots. Obviously it won't be a record of every hunter's movements since we won't see them all. Also, "stupid fake treasure" doesn't contribute anything to the discussion. Come on newport74, you were doing so well! I didn't expect a legitimate question coming from you. What a peculiar dichotomy.
cw0909 - Absolutely fascinating! What a mountain of data, I'll be browsing this for a while.
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