Just Where is the Rest of the Ship???

[capt dom]

Just had two vintage gentlemen visit us with a wealth of experience in treasure finding
and hunting over 40 years! I personally look forward to sharing some future exploration
experiences with them and thank Treasurenet and this blogging site for giving us the chance to
actually meet and have an eyeball meeting...

 

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[mad4wrecks]

http://www.jupitercoins.com


http://atochatreasures.com/TreasureQuest/Jupiter Wreck Project.htm

 

[capt dom]

As to "other than coins does anyone know what else was found on the Jupiter Shipwreck thus far" question:

Generally speaking eleven cannons, two eleven or so stream anchors numerous octagon shaped arquabus
barrels, many cannon balls, various shot from about 30 to 62 caliper, numerous brass dividers; probably
used by both the navigator and cannon shooters - so as to compute arc when shooting their cannon. Some
but not a lot of lead sheathing, two pieces of burnt standing rigging dead eyes that I know of, two or three
or so spoons and or forks, one pewter plate {I don't think they were passing these around} :dont
know: many encrusted iron spikes, tools like an adz, lead tamping hammers, a gentleman's dagger scabbard,
one short sword that I know of Here are some photos: a 78 pound ingot of silver, 2 five pound
gold ingots, some small gold finger bars, a nice lead sand shaker box, a great crushed copper bucket...
There is a lot more out there - still to be discovered..... The indians did not run off with everything...
They burnt what was there to the waterline...


The chart is a 19th century chart of Jupiter inlet. the southern tip of what is Jupiter Island is actually an
awash sand bar. The present day inlet was dug through this sand bar by Westen Hemstead and Gus Wallendeck.
These industrious salvors got the government to subsidize their treasure hunting adventures here in Jupiter by
retaining their services to cut the inlet! They were looking for treasure - as it was written in an earlier Miami
newspaper - that remains of a shipwreck may lay just north of the then present inlet entrance.

What they ended up doing was burying the cannon spatter we discovered while placing the material down
stream of the water flow. Now, I am not stating they did not find some part of the wreck. I am telling you that
they inadvertantly (to our good fortune) buried part of it!

 

[Salvor6]

Hey Dom, when did Pete find this? Ithought he was out of it. http://www.palmbeachpost.com/pbcnorth/content/local_news/epaper/2009/08/17/z1b_treasure_0818.html.

 

[capt dom]

Peter is out of Jupiter Wreck. He sold his stock to the Seahunter over two years ago.
Seahunter went right to work at Jupiter Wreck full bore and has done quite well.

I don't think the position of the finds in the latest - (anchor story) is accurate. It originally
was reported on TV that the find was located somewhere off of north Singer
Island. Being on the water or rather in it is in Peter's blood ...

But this has nothing to do with Jupiter Wreck. Here is a link to the Channel 12 News Release:

http://video.cbs12.com/m/25942907/anchor-found.htm#q=Singer+Island,++Anchor+found

Peter likes taking artifacts and dropping them in front of the lighthouse. And why not! :
It makes for a great photo op... and back drop.

The state and archeologists frown upon it because they don't view unauthorized removal of cultural
material that may be of maritime historical interest a good idea. It is their position it may disrupt the actual
later study of the event if not properly documented.

Peter is doing his best to C.H.A. by playing down the "treasure" aspect as you will see in the video.

If there were coins stuck to the anchor - they would be stringing Peter up by his thumbs!

I know full well of this - because there were coins stuck to the anchors and canons we first raised.
That is why I placed a claim within the Federal Courts of Admiralty - so as to establish title to the shipwreck
site and protect all of our interests. At first there was no JWI. It was just Peter and I.
And Pete being a public employee - fearing retribution - didn't want his name on the paperwork!

 

[ivan salis]

the state archie types hate "getting" another plain jane rusty iron civil war era "anchor" to deal with --they cost a ton of cash to "restore" and are basically worthless -- they are the "white elephant" of ship wrecks -- run of the mill iron cannons run a close 2nd (bronze ones however are a whole differant matter ) -- iron anchor and cannons for the most part --can you say --best left "in place" on the bottom --of course now that the "news" has been "alerted" about it they gotta take it and do sumpin with it

 

[FISHEYE]

Sounds like that the underfunded state archies arent doing thier job if they allow ex lifeguards to remove shipwreck artifacts without a permit.Is it a free for all now?

 

[dirtywhitboy]

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Contributed by: yvonne addario on 7/27/2009


Local undersea explorer, Captain Dominic Addario, has a contributing answer to assist in the replenishment of Palm Beach County beaches and dunes. This summer they are testing the cost of modifying their excavation technique. The sand they are permitted to excavate through, while searching for artifacts, can be given to local and county agencies for dune replenishment.

There well may be less costly more environmentally compatible ways to combat the ongoing problems of ever rising oceans and the depletion of sand along the Palm Beach County shoreline.

Tens of millions of dollars continue to be spent trucking in sand and relying upon the dredging of inlets, to periodically place sand back onto downstream beaches. The cost to local, state, federal and the peoples of these coastal areas to restore the beaches and dunes - only on a temporary basis is staggering. And, the problem continues. There may be a contributing solution in sight for the town of Jupiter and Palm Beach County, but first you need to know what happened in 1660.

Recap: Jupiter, Florida. One summer morning, in July of 1987, two surfers, Ralph Rossini and Bob Riggs on their morning wave ride, noticed something sticking out of the sand. It looked like an encrusted cannon and anchor. They reported it a Palm Beach County life guard, Peter Leo who swam out 20 yards from the beach to confirm their findings.

The lifeguard wasn't sure as to what to do about the find, other than to take it home and display it on his lawn. He called a good friend of his, Captain Dominic Addario Dominic, who then owned Jupiter Hills Marina. He had the equipment and the logistics to create a base of operations to do further research on the cannon and anchor. Together, Leo and Captain Dom chipped away at the encrustation holding the cannon in place enough to free and then raise it from its watery grave. They took it to Addario's marina. Addario also found a Spanish copper bucket. It was attached to the cannon. In an attempt to find out what period of time these artifacts came from, Addario contacted the Smithsonian Museum and then a director of the local Jupiter Historical Museum and offered to donate their finds after proper preservation.

The following day, the two went back to the site to see what else was there. Hand digging in the sand, they found more cannons, and then their first coin, a silver piece of eight dated 1658. Dominic contacted Jim Sinclair, then metal preservationist working for Treasure Salvors, from Key West and described what they had found. Sinclair said, "I think you better get yourself a lawyer." Addario did, hiring David Horan, the same lawyer who successfully defended Mel Fisher against Florida's claim to the Spanish galleon, the Atocha and Santa Margareta

On July 27, 1987 Addario placed an admiralty claim in the U.S. Southern District Court, but not without resistance from the state of Florida. Captain Addario was appointed the first Federal Substitute Custodian of the abandoned shipwreck site. Later, the court substituted Jupiter Wreck Inc. (JWI), a newly formed Florida corporation for Captain Dominic Addario's name.

It was the states sand the shipwreck was in. A deal was made. The state of Florida would receive twenty percent of the finds. Having the right to the wreck site was only a small part of the newly historical research and recovery process. At first they were only allowed to dive, photograph and map the wreck site. Hand fanning was the only means to uncovering artifacts. With the assistance of archeologists, they submitted reports to the state, that had satisfied them enough to allow the salvers to begin to mechanically excavate the site,

Coins. Lots of Spanish colonial coins dated 1652 - 1659 began to surface. They had been minted in Potosi, Bolivia, Lima, Peru, Mexico and Santa fe de Bogotá, Columbia and were being brought up to see the light of day. They found gold coins, two-five pounds bars of gold and a single seventy-eight pound silver ingot numbered 820. Two eleven-foot anchors, and ten more cannon, weighing 800 to over 2,000 pounds and varied in sizes along with many cannon balls, musket balls, two brass navigational dividers, miscellaneous ship's parts, such as firearms and by-the-way more treasure! Captain Dom and Leo realized they had a Spanish ship. They traveled to Spain to learn of its origins by researching at the "Casa de Contratación" or house of trade under the guidance of head researcher Victoria Staples Johnson and Doctor Eugene Lyons as the historian.

Fifteen thousand coins, mostly silver have been found thus far by Jupiter Wreck Inc., yet, they have not found enough of the ship carrying silver and gold to account for its main cultural deposit. This exciting and what seemed to be easy pickings of artifacts, soon turned into a very costly and time consuming event.

Excavating this wreck began to present new challenges. The traditional hand fanning, hammers and chisels weren't enough. Positioning gear, sub-bottom profilers, magnetometers, fathometer, side-scan sonar, metal detectors, preservation tanks and larger boats having massive prop washing blowers on the stern were necessary. Having the equipment and manpower was still not enough. The months blew by summer winds and turned the ocean waters colder and with large swales of waves making salvaging efforts come to a snails pace.

Recovery efforts have been in progress each year, pending on permits to allow salvors to move sand. When to salvage and for how long each session is, is determined by two factors; funding and weather. An average minimum of $15,000.00 to sometimes up to $50,000.00 a month is needed to mount a major salvage expedition. And, the best time of year to work is in the summer months when the oceans lay flat.

For each salvaging year, the process becomes harder and more costly. Why? Because, the easiest of the finds were once found in only ten feet of water and in ten feet of sand. Now, twenty-three years later it has become inevitable that a pumping and sifting devices must be used to get down to the bottom where Captain Dom believes the rest of the shipwreck lays. (See cross-sectional drawing)

It only stands to reason that with only 15,000 artifacts recovered, there are not enough of the ship's remains to claim salvaging efforts to end. With the help of researchers and Addario's hypothesis, there was still much more to be found. The only problem was that is buried so deep, removing the sand had to go some where. Knowing that Palm Beach County has a major dune & beach erosion problem brought Captain Dom to make a logical assumption. It may be contributing solution to help cure the accelerating erosion problems with the very sand they are digging through - while looking for the rest of the ship! As it is, C.H.U.M.S (Coastal Historical Underwater Management Society), Jupiter Coins, LLC, a subcontractor of, and a handful of well established companies are working together in an attempt to make this happen and prove its viability.

Jupiter Coins, LLC has come up with the brilliant idea to use the permits that JWI has already in place and to modify them so as to permit its salvors to place sand over their right shoulder with specialized equipment and pump the sand over the beach and on to the upland dune where it can be stockpiled and later used as the county sees fit for dune replenishment and the bolstering of sea turtle nesting habitats. . The same would go for other locations along the southeastern seaboard. C.H.U.M.S. would help to uncover shipwrecks from all periods of time in close proximity of the beaches. This action serves many purposes. One, it will aid in replenishing beaches and dunes, two, it uncovers valuable history related maritime vessels and debris, helping to educate the public, stimulating on shore reef and baitfish habitats, three, in cooperation of municipalities of the state and local governments placing select historical items into their museums, and finally four, saving tax payers money.

Making this proposal actually happen is not an easy task, even though it makes perfect sense. C.H.U.M.S. is very close to having all the pieces of the puzzle; the proper equipment, staff and reputable business associates in place for this to become real. What may hold up the process are certain financial vested interests, and unfortunately egos with petty quasi-professional interests, who may not wish to see the public educated and an actual contributing "change" occur. Big money is made moving sand about along our shorelines and also studying its placement and movement. The power of some of these 'interest" groups is no more evident than in right here in Palm Beach County with its recent problems with graft amongst its county commission in recent years.

But for change to occur - it takes all of us to become proactive and more knowledgeable about our near shore coastal environment. They plan on filming a documentary to aid in accomplishing this needed step in the process of the people being proper caretakers of our environment.

If you have questions, there is a book written about the wreck, entitled, Treasure Diving with Captain Dom which educates you about the Jupiter Shipwreck. You may get your copy at Barnes and Noble book stores, or go to http://www.jupitercoins.com/.

 

[Goldminer]

Dom/Yvonne
What, if anything, has the state said about this fantastic concept? This seems like a no-brainer.
Bill

 

[capt dom]

We are attempting to film a documentary about the CHUMS concept this summer and fall. A producer
from the National Geographic Channel has taken more than a passing interest... We hope its title isn't going to be:


"Its Was just too good of an Idea"

One of the problems is ideas are cheap! Anybody can come up with them! Carrying them off - well
that is quite another matter. When I first discussed this concept over 20 years ago - the powers
to be stated I was just just grandstanding - I have even got this opinion from some of my own partners.
Well, when you take the front of the line.... you are going to get some eggs thrown at you! But,
that is what explorers do - "go where no man has gone before"... the trick is to survive and come back and
hope that somebody gets the story straight.... but that does not always happen....

However both my wife and I really believe in this concept and as you say, "It seems like a no-brainer!"

In answer to your question - its a "pass the buck issue" - The state permitting agencies state, "A request
for modification of existing dredge & fill permits must be made by the lead agency who is responsible
for addressing the emergency at hand. In the case of Palm Beach county's dissappearing dunes, that is
DERM - actually I understand it is now called ERM. When the sub tropical storm came through some 2
years ago in the spring that stripped our beached down to bare rock and swept away what use to be
Peter's life guard shacks - the ERM officials asked me to be quite for a while about our concept - because
they needed to keep trucking the sand in to create the dike at the Jupiter "feeder" beach - where our wreck site
lay. I was getting editorial endorsements from the media and newspapers = but being a "good citizen" and
pragmatic - I backed off. This spring Jupiter Inlet disctrict and its subcontractors did a great job
pumping sand out of the sand trap and on to the beach - just south of Jupiter Inlet BUT... :
just to the south - by Ocean Trail - and the hotel - its down to bare rock once more...

CHUMS has commissioned an artist to do T-Shirts with sea turtles with Jackhammers - attempting to make
holes in the exposed rock so as to lay their eggs!

Almost half of PBC commission has been sent to jail getting caught with their hands in the till
and maybe... just maybe some of the people at ERM may wish to endorse a concept that
makes the study of our historic maritime past, benefit the present and future.....

Making the last 23 years of digging up this shipwreck site making some sense - instead of just
another treasure hunt will be a legacy to be proud of. and if any of you think that is
bull --deleted--.... well it is pretty good bull--deleted--....

Look at: http://jupitercoins.com/CHUMS.html

CHUMS needs a few good men and women for that matter....

 

[SebastianSam]

 

[billinstuart]

Dirty water. There is a slight southerly countercurrent along the beach, that pretty much disappears in the area of jupiter inlet. The northly flowing gulf stream is close to the shore here, but starts to curve away from the coast. By Stuart it is typically 10 miles offshore.

 

[capt dom]

Nice photo Sebastian Sam...

The photo illustrates what appears to be some remaining fresh water outflow drifting southward after
a tide turn. There probably was a north east wind and thus current when this photo was taken.

If any of you wish I can dig out some other aerials showing different sea conditions.

Here is just one... This shows the dredge that eventually threw some ballast stones on to the beach.

Note it is feeding the sand from the south to the north and not in line with the shipwreck scatter pattern.

Only sand from the Jupiter Inlet inland inlet sand trap is dumped into that area.

 

[cuzcosquirrel]

A depth chart might also be helpful.

 

[capt dom]

cuzcosquirrel:

Please look at the chart of the inlet at the beginning of the post and overlay it to the Ariel Photo
if you want an estimation of the depth. Along the scatter pattern - the average snad bottom depth is 10
to 14 feet now.

 

[FISHEYE]

what county is jupiter inlet in?

 

[mad4wrecks]

Palm Beach County

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Bleach yard is not one sandy spot but an entire area that goes from Jupiter to St. Lucie with several sandy spots........The first one to give it its name was Bishop Calderon fom Cuba back in the 1600s the original name was "ropas extendidas"

The sandy spots are now covered with vegetation.

 

[capt dom]

Now take a look at this Ariel. Please note the weir at the end of the south jetty.
This was an experiment in an attempt to accelerate the water flow when the tide
was running so as to create an orifice of sorts. In this photo you may note the
both jetties did not extend as far out as they do today.

The weir was later removed and the jetties extended. Also note how far the
beach is out in this photo! One could have thrown a beach blanket over
where we found our first cannons and anchors! This photo was taken I think in the
early 60's soon after a major dredging project. I've got photos of it as well somewhere...

There are actual photos of the Jupiter estuary around town that look like Ariels that
were taken from the lighthouse! Now some of those show a breaking wave
from the original sandbar our ship had struck.

Here is a computer painting my wife did.

 

[capt dom]

Oh by the way.... The swells are laying down - the Polly -L is back out
over the shipwreck site - (most likely over a part of the main pile but in deep sand
and covered with rocks ) And we will be out too with the "Tank" as soon as I get
our new generator bolted down.

Photos will follow.... But be kind... to an old man... I have an even bigger
belly than the Seahunter! But remember... you never see a skinny "killer whale!" Blubber
keeps us big guys under water longer than you 6 pack abs - hard bellies