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  1. #1
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    Santa Rosa (1726)

    Does anyone know if Odyssey is still trying to find this ship, off Cabo Agostinho, Brazil?

    1726

    LISBOA 28. de Março: A frota, que sahio em 20. do corrente deste porto para a Bahia de Todos os Santos, se compunha de 18. navios mercantis, comboyados pela nao Santa Rosa à ordem do Capitaõ de mar, e guerra Bartholomeu Freire. Com ella partiraõ juntamente o navio N. Senhora da Luz, para o Rio de Janeiro, N. Senhora do Rosario, para Pernambuco, e N. Senhora de Ponha de França, para Angola.

    LISBOA .28. de Novembro: Nos dias 17, 20, 21 & 22. deste mez entrou no porto desta Cidade com viagem. de 66. dias, e carga de açucar, sola, tabaco, madeiras, e outros generos, a Frota da Bahia de todos os Santos composta de 49. navios de commercio, de cujo numero pertencem 7. à Cidade do Porto, comboyados todos pela nao de guerra N. Senhora da Nazareth, à ordem do Capitaõ de mar, e guerra Pedro de Oliveira Muge, havendo se perdido infelizmente em hum incendio na altura do Cabo de S. Agostinho, aos 14. dias de navegação a nao Santa Rosa, que lhe servia de Capitania, commandada pelo Capitaõ de mar, e guerra Bartholomeu Freire de Araujo, em que vinhaõ embarcadas 700. pessoas. Em companhia desta Frota veyo tambem a nao N. Senhora do Livramento, que partio de Goa em 24. de Janeiro deste anno, e vem por Capitaõ della Antonio Francisco Leyras.

    LISBOA 12. de Dezembro: Segunda feira sahio a correr a Costa a nao de guerra N. Senhora das Ondas, de que he Capitaõ de mar, e guerra Dom Manoel Henriques, para dar caça aos navios corsarios de Barbaria, que foraõ vistos nestes mares. Os Soldados do Regimento da Armada Real fizeraõ Sabbado Passado na Igreja Parrochial de S. Paulo Exequias solemnes pelas almas dos seus companheiros, (na Milicia, e na Irmandade de N. Senhora da Boa viagem) que acabáraõ infelizmente na nao Santa Rosa; e prégou neste funeral o P. Hippolyto Moreyra da Companhia de Jesus.


  2. #2
    us
    Oct 2009
    89

    Re: Santa Rosa (1726)

    Ahh yes .. the mystery of the SANTA ROSA...

    the "internet-archives" contain alot of further-more interesting questions ??

    In furtherance of the negotiations for the permit, it became prudent to
    join forces with a South American competitor, Salvanav, to form a bidding
    Consortium. The Consortium rendered the original South American Consultancy
    Agreement with Odyssey inappropriate, and under a Joint Venture Agreement
    dated August 1995 with the Company (Seahawk Deep Ocean Tech), Odyssey
    agreed to forego its entitlement to the percentage of the gross recovery
    of the project and instead become equal partners with the Company (Seahawk)
    in a South American company known as Pesqamar,that owned half of a consortium,
    known as Conpas.

    The Company (Seahawk) and Odyssey each owned 24.5% of Pesqamar, with the remaining
    51% being owned by Brazilians.

    Following the completion of the agreement, the Company (Seahawk)
    owns 428.75 of the 1,750 shares of Common Voting Stock and 1,459.5 of the 3,250
    shares of Preferred Non-Voting stock in Pesqamar. In October 1996, Conpas completed a search of almost 400 square miles of its
    search area and revealed 25 anomalies with characteristics indicative of possible
    sites of shipwrecks.

    Conpas visually inspected some of these anomalies with an ROV during 1997
    and 1998. On April 27, 1999 the members of the Consortium of Conpas signed
    an agreement to terminate Conpas and apply for two new permits in the names
    of Pesqamar and Salvanav. The permits will be for separate areas of
    approximately 50% each of the previously permitted search area.

    The Pesqamar area includes the prime anomalies previously revealed in the search of
    October 1996. Under the terms of the Agreement, the previous members of
    the Consortium of Conpas will operate independently, including the provision
    of project finance and offshore operations.

    In the event either party recovers the particular shipwreck involved in the Project,
    it must share with the other party 4% of the gross proceeds of the shipwreck after the
    South American Government has been paid.

    On April 31, 1999 the applications for the new permits were submitted to the
    South American Government and Pesqamar received its new permit in July 1999.
    The Company plans for Pesqamar to visually inspect the balance of the 25 anomalies
    before the end of 2000.


    It has not been verified that the Santa Rosa has been located,
    although some local Recife scuba divers report an American salvage
    company did find the ship. The wooden vessel was broken into pieces
    and buried deep in the sand making recovery of artifacts extremely
    difficult and no treasure was found.



    To add to the mystery .. why is "The Company (Seahawk)" stock still on the market
    and still being traded, for not having been in Business for the last 9 years??
    ( 25% \ 500 million ) ??

    and What happened to a member of the Stemm family who was a promenient member of the original Seahawk and Seahawk I adventures. Has he taken up residence in Brazil to
    "keep his eyes on something "


    So 500 Million is about how much in todays Dollars ?? only time will tell !

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    pt
    Oct 2009
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    Re: Santa Rosa (1726)

    Well, according to the cargo manifest of the Santa Rosa, kept at the National Mint Archives (a very secluded, non indexed place) it seems that about 95% of the cargo was passed to another vessel....

  4. #4
    us
    Oct 2009
    89

    Re: Santa Rosa (1726)

    I guess they had to pass it over very quickly ..

    The story is told how the great ship loaded to its capacity, 26 tons of gold bullion
    and coins sailed from the port of Salvador on a gusty rough water day in late August
    of 1726.

    Then on September 6th, as the huge ship, riding low in the water passed Recife,
    a huge explosion blew the ship apart and it quickly sank. Everyone died with the
    exception of 7 people out of 700. No one knew if the explosion was an accident or
    the result of sabotage.


    what hae become of the groups Pesqamar and Salvanav

  5. #5
    pt
    Oct 2009
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    Re: Santa Rosa (1726)

    The ship burned, yes. But slowly.

    This is where good, well fundamented, archival research plays a pivotal role. You tell me where that story came from and I will tell you where to find the actual 1726 documents that tell the story as it went.

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    Re: Santa Rosa (1726)

    Between 1999 and 2000 I spend a research for Blue Water in the archives of Spain. Antonio Camarao worked in Portugal and other countries finding important documents. Sincerely I don't believe that the jetsam has been located and recovered the possible load.


  7. #7
    us
    Oct 2009
    89

    Re: Santa Rosa (1726)

    Well lets put this Ship to rest then ... post the correct info as you have it , and we'll move on to the next wreck !! thanks

  8. #8
    pt
    Oct 2009
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    Re: Santa Rosa (1726)

    Quote Originally Posted by Vox veritas
    Between 1999 and 2000 I spend a research for Blue Water in the archives of Spain. Antonio Camarao worked in Portugal and other countries finding important documents. Sincerely I don't believe that the jetsam has been located and recovered the possible load.

    Claudio, as opposed to you, Antonio Camarao is not that good as an archival researcher...

  9. #9
    us
    Oct 2009
    89

    Re: Santa Rosa (1726)

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre
    The ship burned, yes. But slowly.
    hmm... Wasnt there any water nearby to put the fire out ??

  10. #10
    es
    Aug 2008
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    Re: Santa Rosa (1726)

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre
    Quote Originally Posted by Vox veritas
    Between 1999 and 2000 I spend a research for Blue Water in the archives of Spain. Antonio Camarao worked in Portugal and other countries finding important documents. Sincerely I don't believe that the jetsam has been located and recovered the possible load.

    Claudio, as opposed to you, Antonio Camarao is not that good as an archival researcher...
    I say for the obtained results, and they were very good. I have seen the documents.

  11. #11
    pt
    Oct 2009
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    Re: Santa Rosa (1726)

    Well, I stand corrected then. If you say so, I'll believe it.

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    Re: Santa Rosa (1726)

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre
    Well, according to the cargo manifest of the Santa Rosa, kept at the National Mint Archives (a very secluded, non indexed place) it seems that about 95% of the cargo was passed to another vessel....
    Are you absolute sure about the above information? You are the first I know to date to have said that. Are you sure the manifest mentions this?

  13. #13
    pt
    Oct 2009
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    Re: Santa Rosa (1726)

    Well, it says so. No reason to be lying about it. It's the gold cargo manifest of the Nossa Senhora da Nazareth, a log that was to be always kept by every ship's captain according to the King's orders - and was always delivered upon arrival, to the Coin House (now the National Mint) officials.

    This is a very secluded and not very well know archive, it doesn't even has an internet site (for it's story and importance check, in Portuguese: http://www.historiacolonial.arquivon...a/paesleme.pdf ).

    Full adress is:

    Centro de Documentação e Informação
    Arquivo Histórico
    Rua da Escola Politécnica, 135, Lisbon
    Monday to Friday from 9,30 h till 12,45 h and from 14,00 h till 16,15 h
    Director: Dr.ª Margarida Ortigão Ramos
    Email: mramos@incm.pt
    Fax: +351 217 107 708

    The Director is a very sweet person - until, that is, the moment you mention the Santa Rosa: she says that if she had a dime for every phone call or letter she has received from Brazilian or American citizens regarding the Santa Rosa, she could buy the National Mint for herself.

    (as you have guessed, she showed me the original log - I couldn't have found it on my own)

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    Re: Santa Rosa (1726)

    Alexandre, did you say "gold coins?"

  15. #15
    pt
    Oct 2009
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    Re: Santa Rosa (1726)

    Quote Originally Posted by Salvor6
    Alexandre, did you say "gold coins?"
    Did I?

 

 
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