List of Portuguese ships (1640-1910)

[Alexandre]

This might be of help - a list of all Portuguese ships, either royally owned or men-o'-war since 1640 till 1910 (date built, number of guns, date and place of loss, etc.)


http://3decks.pbworks.com/f/Catalogo%20dos%20navios%20brigantinos%20(1640-1910)%20-%20Esparteiro.pdf

[aquanut]

Your input is appreciated, however, there are many (most) of us here in the U.S. that can't translate into Spanish. If there is a way for you to link your information to English, it would really be appreciated!
Thanks,
Aquanut

[ivan salis]

its no problemo fer me senor . si , habla espanol and portuguese as well.-- aquanut --by the way --- its in portuguese not spanish --- it was made in Lisbon in 1976 --published by the center of marine studies -- portuguese while similar to spanish is differant .

[wwwtimmcp]

ahem gentlemen, www.freetranslation.com has several languages that you can translate to and from english. enjoy.

[ivan salis]

babblefish does too for those who need to translate of "modern" items -- however if reading old archivetype papers written in the old archic style of writing --it will not work properly as it set up for the "modern form of the foreign langauges"

[Alexandre]

I wonder what she was doing there, so far northwest of Brazil....

(can you find the Corte Real shipwreck? )

[gord]

I wonder what she was doing there, so far northwest of Brazil....

(can you find the Corte Real shipwreck? )

More Portuguese pirates?

[ivan salis]

the gulf stream was the way they came home to europe . --it runs along floridas coast .

[Alexandre]

the gulf stream was the way they came home to europe . --it runs along floridas coast .

Only if you're talking about Spanish ships departing from Mexico or Cuba.

Portuguese ships would depart from South America (Brazil) or India (Goa) or China (Macao) or Africa (Mozambique, Guinea, Cape Verte) - they would never go to Florida. That's why you only have a handful of Portuguese shipwrecks in your part of the world and, even then, those are mainly wrecks of slavers from the 19th century.

[Alexandre]

You are not.

[Alexandre]

In some instances I have picked up Portugese sailors on board Spanish ships. Am I wrong? Dell

For instance, the guy that wrote the account of the 1541 Hernando de Soto trip from Florida into the mainland US was a Portuguese from Elvas. The account was first published in 1557 - Relação verdadeira dos trabalhos que o governador D. Fernando de Souto e certos fidalgos portugueses passaram no descobrimento da Província da Flórida - and was fully transcribed and printed in a nice edition in 1998. If you can read portuguese and are willing to spend 10 euros on it, it makes a very good buy.

[mad4wrecks]

the gulf stream was the way they came home to europe . --it runs along floridas coast .

Only if you're talking about Spanish ships departing from Mexico or Cuba.


Are you saying English, French and Dutch ships departing various ports in the the Caribbean did not sail up the gulf stream? What was the route they took?

Can you recommend any good books that deal with the presence of these nations in the Caribbean? All of the books I have studied on the subject deal with Spanish presence in the New World.

Thanks, Tom

[Alexandre]

Hi Tom,

I was speaking about the early 16th century. Anyhow, that corner of the world is not really my specialty, but I can refer you to the following online works (good secondary sources, you just have to sift through them carefully):

http://books.google.com/books/downlo...ummary_r&cad=0

http://books.google.com/books/downlo...ummary_r&cad=0

http://books.google.com/books/downlo...ummary_r&cad=0

I will ask Filipe, who teaches Nautical Archaeology of the Americas at TAMU, for newer, comprehensive sources.

[mad4wrecks]

Excellent resources. Thank you.

[ivan salis]

every one of the old world powers ( the spanish, the portugese, the dutch,the french, the english ) had vessels that came to the "new world" during the age of sailing vessels --- and which at one time or another used the gulf stream route to assist them in returning home if they were in the caribbean or near florida areas -- the portugese were more interested in brazil and south america as a whole ( they did have some caribbean island interest) the portugese needed slaves to work much the same way as the spanish did in mexico and places they controlled during that time frame. ( thus the lively slave trade which used the gulf stream route quite a bit)

people tend to forget that portugal and spain historically were at each others throats and fighting over the new world --and that the pope got involved being both were "catholic" countries -- andsplit up the new world between the two --spain got mexico and north america --brazil was given to portugal

[truthsadvocate]

Thanks for all the work. I have been reading what i could! 8)

[capthawk]

Thanks!!

Came back to this post to save it and followed up on the Google books links- found several manuscripts I had been looking for re: Bahamas and Florida history - use Google all the time but for some reason hadn't caught on to their book downloads