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  1. #1
    pt
    Oct 2009
    Lisbon
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    Help in identifying a gold artifact

    Hi all

    We have recovered this gold item from about 7 meters deep, on the south coast of Terceira Island, Azores, from a non-shipwreck context (although we have records of several Spanish ships being sunk in that general area)

    It's solid gold roll, bent into a D-ring shape. Besides that cut/incision on the left, there are no more marks on it.

    It might have been a piece of gold that was being smuggled, but then, why this shape?

    If you can help, please contribute.





  2. #2
    no
    Mar 2006
    Norway
    XP Goldmaxx Power.
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    Re: Help in identifying a gold artifact

    Its easier to transport when it is formed like a ring. And if you need to pay for anything, you just hack of a piece and shape the remaining gold back to a ring.

    Or it could be a homemade bracelet.
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  3. #3
    us
    Feb 2004
    lake mary florida
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    Re: Help in identifying a gold artifact

    It could be a nose ring or a ear ring.
    Millions of dollars of Spanish treasure await those who would dare brave the eye of the hurricane.

  4. #4
    pt
    Oct 2009
    Lisbon
    684
    2 times

    Re: Help in identifying a gold artifact

    Quote Originally Posted by Trond
    Its easier to transport when it is formed like a ring. And if you need to pay for anything, you just hack of a piece and shape the remaining gold back to a ring.
    Too heavy and solid for that, that's the reason you carry gold chain around.


    Or it could be a homemade bracelet.
    Too small, it would only fit a baby child's hand.

  5. #5
    pt
    Oct 2009
    Lisbon
    684
    2 times

    Re: Help in identifying a gold artifact

    Quote Originally Posted by FISHEYE
    It could be a nose ring or a ear ring.
    It does remind me of the nose ring you use on bulls, to tame them into obeying your steering, but I doubt one would make such an object in pure gold..

    As for the ear ring, the same reason: it's too heavy and cumbersome to be used in such a manner by any person, no matter how tall and heavy they are.

    Thanks, anyway.

  6. #6
    us
    Sir Dives-A-Lot

    Jul 2006
    Jupiter, FL
    JW Fishers Pulse 8X, Minelab Explorer, Geometrics 882
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    Re: Help in identifying a gold artifact

    One way to avoid paying the "royal fifth" was to be wearing an item of gold. Maybe this person didn't have a goldsmith to make him a nice chain. I could see someone making a solid gold bracelet for a child to be worked into a chain once back in the old world.

    Gold was normally only used as either ornamentation or money, so I'd say you have an unusual and very interesting object.

  7. #7
    us
    Apr 2004
    Tesoro Sand Shark, Homebuilt pulse loop
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    Re: Help in identifying a gold artifact

    In identifying artifacts, it helps to know the specific context of your dig. What other artifacts have you found? I find it hard to believe that this is a Spaniard's item used to avoid the royal fifth. 7 meters is an incredible depth for a non-shipwreck site, and would indicate a much earlier time period. What kind of soil/strata are you working with, Alexandre?

    Very interesting.

  8. #8
    pt
    Oct 2009
    Lisbon
    684
    2 times

    Re: Help in identifying a gold artifact

    Quote Originally Posted by Darren in NC
    In identifying artifacts, it helps to know the specific context of your dig. What other artifacts have you found? I find it hard to believe that this is a Spaniard's item used to avoid the royal fifth. 7 meters is an incredible depth for a non-shipwreck site, and would indicate a much earlier time period. What kind of soil/strata are you working with, Alexandre?

    Very interesting.
    Hi Darren

    It was 7 meters deep, but underwater, on a rocky bottom, intersped with patches of sand.

    Since it was in the Azores, we can safely rule out anything earlier than 1420-1430 AC.

  9. #9
    pt
    Oct 2009
    Lisbon
    684
    2 times

    Re: Help in identifying a gold artifact

    Quote Originally Posted by ScubaFinder
    One way to avoid paying the "royal fifth" was to be wearing an item of gold. Maybe this person didn't have a goldsmith to make him a nice chain. I could see someone making a solid gold bracelet for a child to be worked into a chain once back in the old world.

    Gold was normally only used as either ornamentation or money, so I'd say you have an unusual and very interesting object.

    It's one of my theories, too. Maybe it was originally coated with some oxide, and performing a menial task, in order to hide it's "golden" nature?

  10. #10

    Oct 2006
    Coastal, NC
    Garrett Infinium LS, Garret Seahunter MK II, Geometrics 882, Marine Sonic SS
    1,326
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Re: Help in identifying a gold artifact

    Belt buckle of sorts? Or used or disguised in a similar fashion? Decorative saddle fastener? Who knows.... Are we certain its gold?

    Neat piece, congrats on the find.
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  11. #11
    pt
    Oct 2009
    Lisbon
    684
    2 times

    Re: Help in identifying a gold artifact

    Quote Originally Posted by ScubaDude
    Belt buckle of sorts? Or used or disguised in a similar fashion? Decorative saddle fastener? Who knows.... Are we certain its gold?
    It is, pure, solid gold.

  12. #12
    us
    Oct 2009
    Florida
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    Re: Help in identifying a gold artifact

    Nice find. I thought nose ring for a sacred bull? Maybe a sacrifice?

  13. #13

    Apr 2008
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    Re: Help in identifying a gold artifact

    Do you have an idea of what ship it came off of?

  14. #14
    pt
    Oct 2009
    Lisbon
    684
    2 times

    Re: Help in identifying a gold artifact

    Quote Originally Posted by GOHO
    Do you have an idea of what ship it came off of?
    If I could date gold.... it could have been from about 20 ships, lost in that area from 1552 till 1762....

  15. #15

    Nov 2006
    601

    Re: Help in identifying a gold artifact

    Probably West African in origin, used as a trade item/currency. Could be an early form of manilla (which were mostly brass/copper, though gold ones are not unheard of.)
    Be on the lookout for more if that's the case....

  16. #16
    Charter Member
    Want to treasure dive in gin clear waters at Jupiter!

    Nov 2006
    Jupiter, Florida USA
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    Re: Help in identifying a gold artifact

    Folks were smaller back then....
    This easily could be a slip over the hand bracelet and may
    have been easily disguised with either rope or leather wrappings.

    If it is pure gold - it will bend easily. Solid gold that doesn't bend
    easily is usually alloyed with some type of hardening agent

    Have you actually checked its karat?
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  17. #17
    Charter Member
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    da book worm--researcher

    Feb 2007
    callahan,fl
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    Re: Help in identifying a gold artifact

    since gold jewelry was exempt for the royal fifth tax *and did not have to be fancy jewelry just jewelry . you can bet "smuggling" type folks had all sorts of "jewelry" on them if they could "afford" the price of gold --

    smugglers would also mix in stuff with other cargo quite often -- hiding gold in a barrel of tar / pitch was a favorite ---in your exsample say they used a barrel of iron rings -- make a few gold ones darken them and put them in the lower part of the barral of iron rings -- anyone opening the barrel sees iron rings -- ok pass it on.

  18. #18
    ca
    Jul 2008
    Minelab/Fisher/Aquapulse
    184

    Re: Help in identifying a gold artifact

    Some African ladies have very thin wrists, in Guinea one place the RAC set up, bracelets like this were common which is why the vessels found funding to return to Guinea form the UK and later the RAC built a formidable trade fleet on these style gold products,gold dust and ivory, might i also add the Guinea Gold coin was also derived from the same African commodity and used widely thereafter. Could be an African Guinea trade bracelet....

 

 

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