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  1. #1
    do
    Sep 2006
    Dominican Republic
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    Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    Hello my TH friends,

    Can anybody give me some help with the topic of shipwrecks in the waters of Uruguay? It seems to me very ingteresting..... I found out "Nuestra Señora de la Luz", "Nuestra Señora de la Asuncion", "Santa Aurora", "El Francia" and, of course, "Graf Spee". But on the other hand I found out that only on "Banco Ingles", a sandbar in the middle of Rio de la Plata, hav been reported more than 500 shipwrecks...?? I tried to contact University of the Republic in Montevideo, their Department of Marine Archaeology, but without any success. I also heard that Barry Clifford has been working there with the underwater salvage Project "Animas"......
    Thanks for any kind of help........

    (Lobo) Bobadilla

  2. #2
    whydah 1717

    Jun 2006
    newport, Rhode Island
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    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    Lobo: Claudio Bonifacio has worked there and knows the major players also. As far as I know Barry Clifford hasn't been there in years but I will ask him if you wish. What exactly are you trying to find out?


    Pirate Diver

    P.S.: a retired admiral friend of mine is now in charge of all harbors in the D.R. if you need any help there.

  3. #3
    do
    Sep 2006
    Dominican Republic
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    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    Hello Pirate Diver,

    Thanks a lot for your info, I sent you PM....

    Best regards,

    Lobo (Bobadilla)

  4. #4
    pt
    Oct 2009
    Lisbon
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    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    These Portuguese cannons were salvaged in waters of the bahía de Colonia del Sacramento, Uruguai, the ancient Portuguese colony there, in 2007...



    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata  -imagem1.jpg   Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata  -imagem2.jpg  

  5. #5
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    us
    Pirate of the Martires

    Feb 2005
    Pinellas Park, Florida
    Aquapulse, J.W. Fisher Proton 3, Pulse Star II
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    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    Wow! What year is that breechloader? Can't be 1818?
    Archaeologists make mistakes too. When I was in Mozambique, the head of the underwater archaeology department at the University Eduardo Mondlane recovered several iron cannons from a Portuguese wreck. They are now just a pile of rusty flakes on the university campus.

  6. #6
    pt
    Oct 2009
    Lisbon
    684
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    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    It's 1818, all right, but it's a muzzle loader... the breech loader is the gun on the top photo...

  7. #7
    Charter Member
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    Pirate of the Martires

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    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    What year is the gun on the top photo?

  8. #8
    do
    Sep 2006
    Dominican Republic
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    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    Alexandre,

    Thanks for these fantastic photos and for the info. I have got couple of friends from Montevideo and they woke up my interest for shipwrecks in this part of the world. There should be many Portuguese shipwrecks in the area and you are, no doubt, expert in this field.... Thanks one more time for sharing, Alexandre!

    Best regards,
    Lobo (Bobadilla)

  9. #9
    es
    Aug 2008
    619
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    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre
    These Portuguese cannons were salvaged in waters of the bahía de Colonia del Sacramento, Uruguai, the ancient Portuguese colony there, in 2007...



    Well, give to Caesar what belongs to Cesar. The shipwreck cannons which belonged was legally registered by Ruben Collado. Collado sued the authorities claiming the share.

    http://translate.google.com/translat...sp&sl=es&tl=en

  10. #10
    pt
    Oct 2009
    Lisbon
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    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    Well.... finders, keepers.... if the guys doing the dredging found those cannons, then Ruben Collado must work harder to find some more instead of losing his time crying over spilled milk...

  11. #11
    es
    Aug 2008
    619
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    Ruben recovered 4,000 coins from the Nuestra Señora de la Luz in Montevideo. The mint of Santiago de Chile coined about 62,000 in 1748. All came on this shipwreck. 58,000 still to be recovered.
    Ruben took $ 6 million, which 50% went to Uruguay. With this money, Uruguay built a school and bought items for the naval prefecture. A good example of social use of the treasures. Other countries, with vast underwater heritage should do the same and not borrow money.
    VV
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata  -ruben-s-auction.jpg  

  12. #12
    ar
    Apr 2007
    Neuquén, Argentina
    WHITE'S GMT / Fisher 1212x
    6

    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    Lobo: Have you read the info in this site ?
    http://www.animas.com.ar/explorer/pub/pub_explorer.html

  13. #13
    es
    Aug 2008
    619
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    Quote Originally Posted by MATAKI2000
    Lobo: Have you read the info in this site ?
    http://www.animas.com.ar/explorer/pub/pub_explorer.html
    You have worked with Ruben Collado?
    (¿Laburaste con Collado?)

  14. #14
    es
    Aug 2008
    619
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobadilla
    Hello my TH friends,

    Can anybody give me some help with the topic of shipwrecks in the waters of Uruguay? It seems to me very ingteresting..... I found out "Nuestra Señora de la Luz", "Nuestra Señora de la Asuncion", "Santa Aurora", "El Francia" and, of course, "Graf Spee". But on the other hand I found out that only on "Banco Ingles", a sandbar in the middle of Rio de la Plata, hav been reported more than 500 shipwrecks...?? I tried to contact University of the Republic in Montevideo, their Department of Marine Archaeology, but without any success. I also heard that Barry Clifford has been working there with the underwater salvage Project "Animas"......
    Thanks for any kind of help........

    (Lobo) Bobadilla
    Dear friend,
    available to share with you information on River Plate from the famous Archive of Indies in Seville.
    Cheers VV

  15. #15
    pt
    Oct 2009
    Lisbon
    684
    2 times

    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    Quote Originally Posted by Vox veritas
    Ruben took $ 6 million, which 50% went to Uruguay. With this money, Uruguay built a school and bought items for the naval prefecture. A good example of social use of the treasures. Other countries, with vast underwater heritage should do the same and not borrow money.
    VV
    How many uruguayan schools has Ruben built with his share?

    And why keep all that stuff at the Cairo Museum, and get small money from ticket selling, for years to come, instead of selling the lot in a single auction and get a lot of money, let's say, from the Tutankamon gold mask?

    Egypt needs schools, too...

  16. #16

    Nov 2006
    36

    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    How many uruguayan schools has Ruben built with his share?

    And why keep all that stuff at the Cairo Museum, and get small money from ticket selling, for years to come, instead of selling the lot in a single auction and get a lot of money, let's say, from the Tutankamon gold mask?

    Egypt needs schools, too...
    [/quote]

    I'm so sick of this guy, why do any you respond to any of his posts? He is totally
    against what we all are trying to do, which is shipwreck salvage and actually get
    to keep a good percentage of the finds. He is just your typical Socialist sucking on the
    Govt. teat and lurking on our posts.

  17. #17
    Charter Member
    hn
    Pirate of the Ays

    May 2004
    Honduras
    Minelab Excal 1000 Chris Craft Corinthian
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    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    While many of us may not share his motives for treasure hunting, he is entitled to his opinion.
    Lets keep it civil!

    Tom

  18. #18
    es
    Aug 2008
    619
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre
    Quote Originally Posted by Vox veritas
    Ruben took $ 6 million, which 50% went to Uruguay. With this money, Uruguay built a school and bought items for the naval prefecture. A good example of social use of the treasures. Other countries, with vast underwater heritage should do the same and not borrow money.
    VV
    How many uruguayan schools has Ruben built with his share?

    And why keep all that stuff at the Cairo Museum, and get small money from ticket selling, for years to come, instead of selling the lot in a single auction and get a lot of money, let's say, from the Tutankamon gold mask?

    Egypt needs schools, too...
    Alexandre, numbers are numbers:
    50% of 6 million is 3 million. OK?
    50% of 600 million is 300 million? OK?
    And 50% of 6000 million is 3000 million.
    I believe that with 3 billion we can make many projects and schools that now do not exist. One had to be built with money generated by a treasure hunter (Mr. Ruben Collado). How many archaeologists can say the same? Anyway, why does not recover Spain, Mexico or Portugal for social purposes? Social and cultural !!
    Cheers VV

  19. #19
    Charter Member
    hn
    Pirate of the Ays

    May 2004
    Honduras
    Minelab Excal 1000 Chris Craft Corinthian
    1,665
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    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    However, it is also off topic for this thread. If you want to discuss what you would do with hard earned proceeds, may I suggest you start a new thread.

  20. #20
    es
    Aug 2008
    619
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Re: Shipwrecks in Rio de la Plata

    Quote Originally Posted by Vox veritas
    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre
    Quote Originally Posted by Vox veritas
    Ruben took $ 6 million, which 50% went to Uruguay. With this money, Uruguay built a school and bought items for the naval prefecture. A good example of social use of the treasures. Other countries, with vast underwater heritage should do the same and not borrow money.
    VV
    How many uruguayan schools has Ruben built with his share?

    And why keep all that stuff at the Cairo Museum, and get small money from ticket selling, for years to come, instead of selling the lot in a single auction and get a lot of money, let's say, from the Tutankamon gold mask?

    Egypt needs schools, too...
    Alexandre, numbers are numbers:
    50% of 6 million is 3 million. OK?
    50% of 600 million is 300 million? OK?
    And 50% of 6000 million is 3000 million.
    I believe that with 3 billion we can make many projects and schools that now do not exist. One had to be built with money generated by a treasure hunter (Mr. Ruben Collado). How many archaeologists can say the same? Anyway, why does not recover Spain, Mexico or Portugal, and URUGUAY for social purposes? Social and cultural !!
    Cheers VV

 

 
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