What is wrong with the West coast of Florida

[Rogue Pirate]

Cornelius, my apologies for typing in the wrong name. My post was intended for Old Gold, in agreement with Bahama's diving.

I made the correction. Sorry! I meant no offense. RP

 

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[OldGold74]

Easy Corny...your posts have incredible value
First they get everyone here to sit up and comment ,,,good or bad
Second they have merit...not just rubbish the real deal
So keep posting there are some people here that may well start a whole new adventure just because of you...
all i said if i can recall two posts ago... is that when flying over these areas it really feels good to look down...not meant in a bad way or meant to disrespect you or your posts... I am sorry the texan couple took advantage of your good heart. I still say when flying over the Bahamas and over the area you posted when one looks out of the window of the plane it looks really special.
Good Luck AND please keep posting its great to see you back online....now as i asked before ever been to Weesp?

 

[cornelis 816]

Oldgold 74 . An old friend of mine did find an old bottle once . He was diving off Portola in the British Virgin islands . It was of stone -ware and had an anchor embossed on it . I did some research here in Holland and discovered that the bottle came from a gin distiller in Weesp . The distiller was not in operation anymore . It was quite old and when I contacted the museum in Weesp they wanted to buy the bottle because there was only one more in existance . My friend refused to sell this bottle and called it his most important find since he started salvaging artifacts from the bottom of the ocean . No , I have never been in Weesp . Had no business there . Cornelius

 

[lockieme]

having lived in Sarasota for 25 years prior to retiring, there was a credible story of a cache of about
20 - 30 gold escudoes found about 100 yards off the beach directly opposite the Lido Beach pavilion
and site of the old casino.

 

[OldGold74]

Youre a good man Cornelius, Ceramic jug with an anchor on it for the town Anker in Weesp. Glad to hear he is an friend even if an old one. Hopefully you know more than you let on about this coast line and you will get your chance again with good people, again nice post.

 

[cpt scuba]

yea what about the west coast i dive it all the time and would love if someone had some research i am a good diver ..crummy reasercher .. i heard about a wreck off sarasota a slave ship with ivory cargo but cant seem to ttrack it down .. any one want to go look this coming summer

 

[Tanneyhill]

And than .... there is another source of wrecks. Those ships that came from central America and sailed the Gulf of Mexico , passed the Padre Islands and further toward the Florida Keys to sail directly to Spain through the Straits or were scheduled to go to Havana

Old thread, but question regarding the above statement by cornelis, why would ships go up from South America or Veracruz up into the Gulf of Mexico to then hug the coastline (Texas, Louisiana, Alabama) to reach Havana or the Strait of Florida on their way to Spain?

If you look at the map, it is substantially shorter distance for fleets to hug the Mexican coastline from Veracruz to Yucatan on their way to Havana.

I can understand if the ships were stopping at New Orleans but if they were headed towards Havana without a detour at New Orleans then I don't quite understand why they wouldn't just hug the Veracruz to Yucatan coastline to Havana instead of circling all around the American Gulf Coast.

 

[Red_desert]

I believe cornelis passed on years ago. Manila treasure was moved from the west coast over land trail to be loaded by east coast galleons for a plate fleet every 2 years. Somewhere along the way contraband loot had to be hidden on galleons. Seems Manila galleons did trips to the south also. Spanish mission in southwest desert regions, maybe close connections needed to be maintained.

 

[Blak bart]

Current and wind dictated this coarse of navigation. sailing against the trade winds was just about impossible with the craft of the day. Beating up wind in a galleon was darn near impossible. The coast of Mexico, and the Yucatan peninsula is very inhospitable, and many a ship perished in North winds and no secure anchorages. So up into the gulf where wind and current helped the journey. Sailing was tough back then and land was nessacary to keep in sight for navigational land marks. This was a normal practice in the time of galleons, and is a well documented route for some galleon traffic. If you missed havana and got west of it, then it may take weeks to beat back upwind to havana. Water and food could run short, and you may be cast ashore on a desolate shoreline!!

 

[Blak bart]

 

[Blak bart]

Maritime history of Cuba

navalmarinearchive.com

 

[Blak bart]

 

[Tanneyhill]

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Thank you for the wind/current map, the screenshot above and explanation. This is invaluable information for someone just starting to wet their feet in researching shipwrecks of the Americas. Thank you kindly for sharing. You guys will see more questions as I dive deeper. 🙂