Campsite of Salvage Minded Ais Indians?

[aquanut]

Cornelius,
Are you going to bring the DBP 2010 with you when you come to Florida?
and... By the way, the Indian River is off limits for anything over 50 years old without permits.
Old man, we'll have to check it out again. The connection to the coil was bad when I last went there.
Aquanut

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[cornelis 816]

John . Did you ever try to ship electronic equipment by plane ? I am flying with US AIR , and you may not pack any electronics . unless you take them apart in front of them and show it is only a meyal detector . What I can do is bring the schematics so somebody in your area can build it as I did . I will double check if there is another way to get the detector in Florida . Cornelius

[bobinsd]

I don't understand the "over 50 without a permit" comment. I'm 66 but have a drivers license.

I would fly out from CA to be a part of any search...nice calm, warm water. Yessss...

[S.S.Tupperware]

This is quite interesting... If the level of sand rose 15 20 feet, Turtle mound must have been taller. There is some high land behind our condo that I have found some interesting things... i just might take a walk out there with the MD. I might be pissin in the wind, but who knows.. as well as some traversable marshes. There might have been some sand blown in, washed in, but I imagine sea level has been the same for the last 500 years? I do know of a creek where an old Spanish sword was found at low tide...

[FISHEYE]

Cornelius,

Just ship the detector with fed-x or ups.Insure it for what its worth or how much you will lose in gold if they happen to lose it.

[Attila]

Old Man,

If you look at signumops post he has the directions to the "Princple town of the AIS"

"The pine woods continue farther, and by a mangrove swamp on the east side at a distance of one and a half leagues is the principal town of (p. 13) this bay [Ais].34 The bay

proceeds on to the south as I have said [?], for a distance of two leagues and then veers to

the east and flows out to sea over the Bar [of Ais]."

If you assume the "Bar of Ais" is the old Indian River Inlet, which most archeolgist do. That puts the main town 2 Spanish leagues north or roughly 7 miles from what was the old Blue Hole cut on the old Indian River inlet.

That is Real Close to your location.

I wish you luck

[old man]

Old Man,

If you look at signumops post he has the directions to the "Princple town of the AIS"

"The pine woods continue farther, and by a mangrove swamp on the east side at a distance of one and a half leagues is the principal town of (p. 13) this bay [Ais].34 The bay

proceeds on to the south as I have said [?], for a distance of two leagues and then veers to

the east and flows out to sea over the Bar [of Ais]."

If you assume the "Bar of Ais" is the old Indian River Inlet, which most archeolgist do. That puts the main town 2 Spanish leagues north or roughly 7 miles from what was the old Blue Hole cut on the old Indian River inlet.

That is Real Close to your location.

I wish you luck

Attila, I'm one of those "nuts" that is up north freezing his ass off. I don't get down to FL more then a few times a year, so I gave the site location to Aquanut. I wish him luck and for those of you that haven't already guessed. I was using a Geman PI unit that is sold in the US. I bought mine in FL and KellyCo. I used a one meter coil when I got the readings.
Cornelius built his own and his is probably a better unit knowing how well Cornelius does things.

[inletsurf]

If you were a Ais indian back in the day.Where would you bury/hide your treasure where no man woman,child or Spaniard would be able to find it and why.Keep in mind that there wasn't much on the barrier islands and they weren't as high as they are today.(they were 15-20 feet lower back then)So if a hurricane came to town with the storm surge the water would wash over the land and into the indian river.


I would have buried mine on the mainland far from the river and prying eyes.

If I were a savage indian with a lot of heavy precious metal goodies and no way to efficiently carry it, I think that would be too long of a walk and swim among other "hostile" envious indians. I don't believe they knew how to put a price or trade value on gold, as they were completely ign-rant to goldsmithing and even what gold was used for in the civilized world. What were they going to trade for? Palemetto berries and fish probably. I believe the treasures of most value to them were weapons, clothing, forks, etc. I would suspect they would bury the gold nearby and bury it quick before anyone else finds it, and to give them time to figure out what the hell it was really worth to them and what to do with it.

[zepher]

Fisheye, that fossil finger bone is interesting. There is some amazing ice age history in the area. Fossil human remains have been found with animals extinct since the last ice age. There's a group who would be interested in your find - http://www.oviasc.org/. Someone recently found a bone with a mastodon carved on it which is considered the oldest carving or art in the western hemisphere. I read one study that described a giant human skeleton locked in a battle with a ground sloth.

[Southern_Digger]

Saw this thread for first time and found it interesting. I have searched much along the west side of the river, opposite wreck site beaches and have found evidence of the Ais. First area I searched was at Jupiter. After I failed to get approval to dive the wreck at Jupiter Inlet in 1977, I began volunteering as the archeologist for both the DuBois Historical Society and the Loxahatchee Historical Society. Between 1978 and 1980, in addition to my search and subsequent digs on the Loxahatchee Battlefield and the Fort Jupiter site; both Bessie DuBois and Ana Minear would call me to come up from Ft. Lauderdale and inspect various middens in and near DuBois Park; as well as a few sites west of the NW Fork of the Loxahatchee. Most often, I did not disturb them and my advice was to leave them alone and preserve them. Unfortunately, some next to the park were taken down for residential construction. One such midden which was taken down in part, I was asked to search. It was located south of the current marina, and there I found a few rifle parts that dated at the turn of the century. Across the front of the property at 35-40 centimeters I found the old railbed to the Celestial Railroad. This was the place where hunters would embark to hunt the woodland between Jupiter and Juno. What does this have to do with the Ais? Someone on this thread commented that the Ais may have sought treasure coins from the wreck beaches. Another commented that the Ais had no interest in such. I agree with the latter. Remember, when Jonathan Dickenson was captured and held captive along Jupiter Inlet, the Ais took his specie, scattered and buried it in the fields around there village, supposedly as a formal offering.

Further north, the only Spanish evidence I saw recovered was a 1795 1 reale, found west of the river aside an oak which also produced scattered pottery. The coin was holed, and most likely worn by a Seminole--not the Ais. Also north of Jupiter along A1A near the beach access opposite Round Island, I hiked into a hammock west of A1A finding iron pieces which I believed was from an 1800's sailing vessel. The site was thick in vegetation and I had to use a machete to create paths-the mosquitoes were horrendous therein. I returned about 5 years later and found a roadbed constructed to the hammock and a house being constructed. The owner informed me the University of Maryland did an archeology dig on property and found the hammock was an early Ais village. I would certainly like to get a copy of the arch. report on this site but do not know if such will be made available to the public. I suspect historical elements, from the wrecks may have been found there.

While researching for my book on Ft. Jupiter History (publ 1992), I purchased copies of the 1840's and 1850's surveyor field journals. In one, they followed a line due north where it intersected at Hell's Gate. Once they crossed the river, they found an ancient settlement growing up in the vegetation and trees. This was the old Spanish Mission site on Jupiter Island and members of the Pennock family showed me the location. So, in 1987, a friend and I decided to search on the west side of the river opposite the mission site in hopes of finding colonial evidence. Other than one small broken piece of pewter, we found numerous pieces of plain and check-stamped pottery. Then, the site was freshly cleared for construction and became the community of Indian Hills.

Now, I also hiked much land west of Indian River at and near Ankona. I found one small midden in the front yard of a homeowner and he asked me to dig into it to see what I could find. Of course, it was totally undistubed, in its natural state, and I talked him into preserving the site and not let anyone distrurb it as it may be a burial. Further north along the Savannah's I did find a midden that was disected by the old Flagler Railroad and the midden had exposed, broken clay jug. When I went into the vegetation to take a closer look, I disturbed more than one rattlesnake, so we left that alone and I never collected samples of the clay vessel. I did find some prehistoric evidence of the Ais in several places west of the river in the area of Oslo. One such item, a piece of brass, appears to be shaped somewhat like an amulette, with the top broken away. However, I am not so sure that may actually be a Seminole artifact. Don't have a photo of it readily available, however, I do have another interesting piece (below).

Last, when I searched the treasure coast with my old Bounty Hunter 3 in 1971, on the beach I found a short piece of blackened end socket to what appears to be a human legbone--believe I found it just north of the old real eight cabin where the museum is now situated. I kept it giving consideration that it may be from one of the shipwreck victims. Now, years later, knowing black midden sand has washed onto the beach just north of the museum, It is more practical that the bone is actually prehistoric.

Interesting fired bone found on a small oak hammock west of Indian river--the end shape leads me to believe it was designed to serve as a shaft starightener for making arrows. Also, a piece of pottery--your comments appreciated

World War 2 button found on same hammock as prehistoric item