Dominican republic treasure in the news.

[Gary Drayton]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Caribbean.html

[Alexandre]

these guys do seriously need, either to hire an archaeologist, or to have they mouth sewn down, lest they sink under the weight or their own lore...

[LM]

'If it's the ship we think it is, she probably went down in a hurricane,' Mr Champion said.

'We have looked at the prevailing currents and wind directions in archives and found a cannon and ballast stone on the wreck that was all going in the wrong direction.

'That suggests it was probably a hurricane as winds go counter clockwise.'

This is very interesting.

How do they deduce this?

[Bobadilla]

Alexandre,

Try to be more specific and share your doubts with us. Taking into account your experience and knowlege of the topic, I would like to hear your opinion and I really mean it. Thanks.

Lobo

[Trond]

Great news.

[Slugrusher]

these guys do seriously need, either to hire an archaeologist, or to have they mouth sewn down, lest they sink under the weight or their own lore...

What makes you believe they do not have an archeologist?

[sniffer]

I'd love to get in on a dive like that

[architecad]

To say the true, Dominican Republic is a paradise for the treasure hunter. I wish to be there living to start to find treasures by land and sea. I hear many stories about buried treasure and shipwrecks. This country was the first settlement by Spaniards. There is located the America's oldest university. Also they have a tipical meal, "El Mangu dominicano". Maybe Bobadilla knows about it.

[Bobadilla]

Hello Architecad,

Of course, I know "mangu"..... it is typical Dominican breakfast. You can find it either in good restaurants or anywhere on the streets in the morning.... Dominicans have many other very tasteful meals as well, like, for example, sancocho, bandera, and of course, typical Dominican meal - rice, beans and chicken. After living and working here for almost 12 years I got used to these meals and I really like them all!

Regarding treasures, oh my friend.....! There are plenty both on the sea bottom and burried in the land. In the Colonial Zone, which is historical part of old Santo Domingo, and which was also declared by UNESCO as a World Cultural Patrimony, there is the first Cathedral and the first monastery in the New World. The first decades after the Conquer, Santo Domingo was the obligatory stop for all the Spanish galleons sailing from the New World back to Spain. They had to declare the cargo and make official documents here before sailing to Cadiz, because the first Spanish "Audiencia" and court were here. The original houses of Spanish nobles have been repaired step by step by new owners, but there must be a representant of Ministry of Culture and a military present in each reconstruction work in the Colonial Zone recently. Why? Because in 90% of these old mansions and houses colonial silver and gold coins and jewelry were found hidden in the corners of the floors, in the walls or underground in their gardens. Spanish colonial population did not trust too much the protection of their soldiers and they feared pirate attacks constantly, so they tried to hid their family fortune inside their houses, just in case. They remembered very well what Francis Drake did to the city when he plundered Santo Domingo in 1586....

Come here and I will show you around with pleasure!

Regards,
Lobo (Bobadilla)

[FISHEYE]

The basis of the history of Spanish food of course has to do with its geographical situation. First of all, the country is located on the Iberian peninsula and is therefore almost entirely surrounded by the waters. Naturally, due to this fortunate location, seafood forms one of the pillars of Spain's gastronomy and categorizes the country as having a Mediterranean diet. The rest of Spain is a diverse terrain made up of mountain ranges, lush pastures, fertile farm grounds, extensive coastlines and more, which together provide quite the variety of fresh products. For example, Spain's famous hams are cured high in the mountains, vineyards and olive groves sprawl across expanses of land, and fresh fruits and vegetables hail from throughout the country.

Endless cultures, as they passed through or settled in Spain, have influenced the history of Spanish food. The Phoenicians left their sauces, the Greeks introduced Spain to the wonders of olive oil, and Romans, Carthaginians, and Jews integrated elements of their own cooking into that of Spain. However it was the Moors who, during their centuries of reign, most impacted Spanish gastronomy. They introduced fruits and light seasonings into the Iberian diet, as well as combinations of fruits and nuts with meats and fish. Rice- a genuine staple of Spanish gastronomy- and therefore Spain's vast array of rice dishes, come straight from the Moors, as does the use of saffron, cinnamon, and nutmeg. As you eat gazpacho on a hot summer day, thank this clearly gastronomically talented Moorish culture, as it too comes straight from them. Conclusion? Ironically enough, the foods we consider to be "typically Spanish" would either not exist or would be extremely different without the intervention of so many cultures into the history of Spanish food.

Along with its obvious historical impact, the discovery of the Americas with Christopher Columbus' famous 1492 voyage resulted in the addition of more important elements to the history of Spanish food. As of 1520, foods from the new lands arrived in Spain and immediately began to integrate themselves into the Spanish diet. Amongst the many products that crossed the Atlantic and arrived on Spanish turf, tomatoes, vanilla, chocolate, and potatoes and rice, beans and chicken which surprisingly arrived in Spain before arriving in Ireland- are all staples of today's Spanish kitchen.

[architecad]

Hello Architecad,

Of course, I know "mangu"..... it is typical Dominican breakfast. You can find it either in good restaurants or anywhere on the streets in the morning.... Dominicans have many other very tasteful meals as well, like, for example, sancocho, bandera, and of course, typical Dominican meal - rice, beans and chicken. After living and working here for almost 12 years I got used to these meals and I really like them all!

Regarding treasures, oh my friend.....! There are plenty both on the sea bottom and burried in the land. In the Colonial Zone, which is historical part of old Santo Domingo, and which was also declared by UNESCO as a World Cultural Patrimony, there is the first Cathedral and the first monastery in the New World. The first decades after the Conquer, Santo Domingo was the obligatory stop for all the Spanish galleons sailing from the New World back to Spain. They had to declare the cargo and make official documents here before sailing to Cadiz, because the first Spanish "Audiencia" and court were here. The original houses of Spanish nobles have been repaired step by step by new owners, but there must be a representant of Ministry of Culture and a military present in each reconstruction work in the Colonial Zone recently. Why? Because in 90% of these old mansions and houses colonial silver and gold coins and jewelry were found hidden in the corners of the floors, in the walls or underground in their gardens. Spanish colonial population did not trust too much the protection of their soldiers and they feared pirate attacks constantly, so they tried to hid their family fortune inside their houses, just in case. They remembered very well what Francis Drake did to the city when he plundered Santo Domingo in 1586....

Come here and I will show you around with pleasure!

Regards,
Lobo (Bobadilla)

Thank you for the good information

What is the position of the Dominican government for the treasure hunter that coming from outside to find treasure in land or sea? is there any old Spanish ruins to detect?


Don't forget to visit my blogs, leave any comments and keep n' touch. When I have the chance, I will contact you to fly there for treasure.

Arch

http://carvedstonequest.blogspot.com/

[Slugrusher]

My understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong, is Dominican Gov't lays claim to any "treasure". You would likely NOT want to
be found exporting anything without the authorization and supervision of the Dominican National Office of the Ministry of Underwater Culture.
They grant the underwater recovery contracts.

[architecad]

My understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong, is Dominican Gov't lays claim to any "treasure". You would likely NOT want to
be found exporting anything without the authorization and supervision of the Dominican National Office of the Ministry of Underwater Culture.
They grant the underwater recovery contracts.

If they grant any exploration and recovery contrats at sea, what about on public land?

Arch

[FISHEYE]

The Dominican Gov will only grant sea contracts to those that already have contracts with them.

[Bobadilla]

Hi everybody,

The Dominican Republic does not issue any private excavation permit for the shipwrecks and treasures in the ocean in their territorial waters any more. However, it is truth that the companies that have already got their lease contracts and have been actively working in the territory, they generally get the extension of the contract (but not automatically) for other generally two years but also generally with smaller area. The reason for that is simple and logical - if you have got, for example 100 square miles of coastal waters in your lease contract, you can work seriously on one or two shipwrecks at the same time and this work takes generally months, sometimes years. It means that you cannot do any serious in field research and excavation on the rest of your lease area but at the same time, nobody else, any theoretically potential explorer can do anything there because it is legally only your area, unless you sub-lease it to somebody else.

At present Deep Blue Marine works on the northern coast of the island, Capt. Tracy Bowden works around Samana peninsula, then Burt Webber with his team and Bobby Pritchett with his ARS company project. Bobby was the last exception to obtain excavation permit for private company, principally because the area he asked for has never been explored before and for his experience and deep research of many years in this area. He has also got boats, high tech underwater equipment, experienced staff and fully equiped base even before he asked for the permit. All this was taken into account. Dominican Republic is in favor of UNESCO convention about underwater patrimony and there are new and strong inner regulations in order to protect the shipwrecks from looting and that´s why only non-profit companies have a green light at the present. One example of that can be Indiana University. They must finance all the research and excavations (of course, they have grant for that....) and whatever they find, it stays in the country, and all the reports and documentation about any shipwreck site must be left in copies as well.

All the companies that were granted underwater excavation permit have generally 50% from all the finds for themselves and 50% for the Dominican government. Some of them even agreed to use part of their 50% to build, for example, artifact museum or to provide similar help to the country. Universities and other non-profit organization have the contract that 100% belongs to the Dominican Republic.

However, the situation with land treasures and permits is quite different. Any possible permit related with treasure and shipwreck under the water is ruled by ONPCS, National Agency for Underwater Patrimony but they have absolutely nothing to do with any land treasures and permits. It is ruled by the land archaeology staff of the Ministry of Culture. By the way anything older than 100 years is consider like cultural patrimony here.

Regards to all,
Lobo (Bobadilla)

[Slugrusher]

Thanks Lobo... I'll just put that jar of eh-hem "treasure" back in the Rio Sabaneta de Yassica then.

[architecad]

Hi everybody,

The Dominican Republic does not issue any private excavation permit for the shipwrecks and treasures in the ocean in their territorial waters any more. However, it is truth that the companies that have already got their lease contracts and have been actively working in the territory, they generally get the extension of the contract (but not automatically) for other generally two years but also generally with smaller area. The reason for that is simple and logical - if you have got, for example 100 square miles of coastal waters in your lease contract, you can work seriously on one or two shipwrecks at the same time and this work takes generally months, sometimes years. It means that you cannot do any serious in field research and excavation on the rest of your lease area but at the same time, nobody else, any theoretically potential explorer can do anything there because it is legally only your area, unless you sub-lease it to somebody else.

At present Deep Blue Marine works on the northern coast of the island, Capt. Tracy Bowden works around Samana peninsula, then Burt Webber with his team and Bobby Pritchett with his ARS company project. Bobby was the last exception to obtain excavation permit for private company, principally because the area he asked for has never been explored before and for his experience and deep research of many years in this area. He has also got boats, high tech underwater equipment, experienced staff and fully equiped base even before he asked for the permit. All this was taken into account. Dominican Republic is in favor of UNESCO convention about underwater patrimony and there are new and strong inner regulations in order to protect the shipwrecks from looting and that´s why only non-profit companies have a green light at the present. One example of that can be Indiana University. They must finance all the research and excavations (of course, they have grant for that....) and whatever they find, it stays in the country, and all the reports and documentation about any shipwreck site must be left in copies as well.

All the companies that were granted underwater excavation permit have generally 50% from all the finds for themselves and 50% for the Dominican government. Some of them even agreed to use part of their 50% to build, for example, artifact museum or to provide similar help to the country. Universities and other non-profit organization have the contract that 100% belongs to the Dominican Republic.

However, the situation with land treasures and permits is quite different. Any possible permit related with treasure and shipwreck under the water is ruled by ONPCS, National Agency for Underwater Patrimony but they have absolutely nothing to do with any land treasures and permits. It is ruled by the land archaeology staff of the Ministry of Culture. By the way anything older than 100 years is consider like cultural patrimony here.

Regards to all,
Lobo (Bobadilla)

But in terms of personal agenda as treasure hunter detecting on the beach, shallow waters, get a permission to search in a private properties, etc, etc. is it legal and allowed in Dominican Republic?

[MORE AND BEYOND OSSY]

The basis of the history of Spanish food of course has to do with its geographical situation. First of all, the country is located on the Iberian peninsula and is therefore almost entirely surrounded by the waters. Naturally, due to this fortunate location, seafood forms one of the pillars of Spain's gastronomy and categorizes the country as having a Mediterranean diet. The rest of Spain is a diverse terrain made up of mountain ranges, lush pastures, fertile farm grounds, extensive coastlines and more, which together provide quite the variety of fresh products. For example, Spain's famous hams are cured high in the mountains, vineyards and olive groves sprawl across expanses of land, and fresh fruits and vegetables hail from throughout the country.

Endless cultures, as they passed through or settled in Spain, have influenced the history of Spanish food. The Phoenicians left their sauces, the Greeks introduced Spain to the wonders of olive oil, and Romans, Carthaginians, and Jews integrated elements of their own cooking into that of Spain. However it was the Moors who, during their centuries of reign, most impacted Spanish gastronomy. They introduced fruits and light seasonings into the Iberian diet, as well as combinations of fruits and nuts with meats and fish. Rice- a genuine staple of Spanish gastronomy- and therefore Spain's vast array of rice dishes, come straight from the Moors, as does the use of saffron, cinnamon, and nutmeg. As you eat gazpacho on a hot summer day, thank this clearly gastronomically talented Moorish culture, as it too comes straight from them. Conclusion? Ironically enough, the foods we consider to be "typically Spanish" would either not exist or would be extremely different without the intervention of so many cultures into the history of Spanish food.

Along with its obvious historical impact, the discovery of the Americas with Christopher Columbus' famous 1492 voyage resulted in the addition of more important elements to the history of Spanish food. As of 1520, foods from the new lands arrived in Spain and immediately began to integrate themselves into the Spanish diet. Amongst the many products that crossed the Atlantic and arrived on Spanish turf, tomatoes, vanilla, chocolate, and potatoes and rice, beans and chicken which surprisingly arrived in Spain before arriving in Ireland- are all staples of today's Spanish kitchen.

FISHEYE, You are making me hungry Very well written
Yes you have summed it up, The Spanish people are as mixed as their food. Should try Pata Negra harmon
Cheers,Ossy

[old man]

these guys do seriously need, either to hire an archaeologist, or to have they mouth sewn down, lest they sink under the weight or their own lore...

Alexandre, With your experience, do you think this company found a Major Treasure wreck worth up to ? I think they mentioned one to two Billion dollars? They found the ballast pile and cannons and about 700 coins. Or do you think this might have been a Merchant Ship ? I really am interested in your opinion.

[Bobadilla]

Hello Old Man,

I think I can answer your question. After detailed research conducted both Deep Blue Marine and Agency of Underwater Cultural Patrimony of the Dominican Republic, the name of the shipwreck is already known. I am not directly involved, so I am not allowed to reveal the name and origin of the shipwreck, you for sure understand it, this right fully belongs to the finders and to the Dominican authorities. What I can only say you is, that this shipwreck is really from the first half of the 16th century. The value of this find is still questionable by my opinion, because you never know how much contraband was on board and in which this contraband consisted of. I think that Alexandre, though for sure an expert, is a little far away from here and therefore from the first hand information.

Best regards,
Lobo (Bobadilla)