HOW MANY PEOPLE ON A SPANISH SHIP ?

[SEAHUNTER]

HELLO EVERYONE
I KNOW THIS SOUNDS LIKE A STUPID QUESTION, BUT IT WOULD HELP ME TO KNOW SOME EXAMPLES OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE ON A SHIP OF A GIVEN SIZE.
ANY EXAMPLES WOULD HELP.
THANKS
SEAHUNTER

 

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[holeintoe]

http://www.nhm.org/education/cahistory/galleon/
Life on a Galleon

Galleons were first built in the 15th and 16th centuries. Their main use was as warships, and many countries, like Spain, also used them on New World explorations to defend the treasure they had captured and on trading voyages.


These large ships had at least three masts with multiple sails and were much faster than earlier warships that had been rowed. Galleons were made from oak, a strong, hard wood that lasted a long time. It took more than 2,000 trees to make some of the larger galleons. The average weight of a galleon was 400 tons, the weight of two jumbo jets. Being so heavy, the galleon traveled at around 4 to 8 knots, or 41/2 to 9 miles per hour. Most people walk about this fast!

The galleons were thisbig in order to move large amounts of supplies and goods, as well as a large number of people. A galleon could carry 100 sailors and passengers The galleons were well protected, usually carrying between 20 and 40 cannons and guns.

Life was hard and dangerous on these ships, space was cramped, the food bad, everything smelled, and the work was never done.

Hope this helps

 

[SEAHUNTER]

THANKS FOR THE ANSWER'S GUYS
CORNELIUS
WHAT ARE VERSOS ?
SEAHUNTER

 

[SEAHUNTER]

CORNELIUS
WOULD THAT BE A SMALLER CANNON LIKE A SWIVEL GUN OR SOMETHING EVEN SMALLER?
SEAHUNTER

 

[holeintoe]

http://www.indiana.edu/~r317doc/dr/old/html/verso+bombardhist.html

 

[Chagy]

Ok!!!! Mr. Salvatierra ......LOL

Here it goes; I am no expert on Pataches or Aviso vessels but an Aviso vessel didnt have to be a necesarlly a Patache different vessels were used as Aviso Vessels
#1 Patache de fuego "San Bautista" 100 tons, 8 cannos, 24 men
#2 Patache de fuego "Castilla" 150 tons, 12 cannons, 67 men
#3 Patache "San Gabriel" 113 tons, 8 cannons, 28 men
#4 Patache "Carmen" 470 tons and 256 men
Armada Espanola by Fernandez Duro vol 5 pages 212 & 309

Here is a tip......All the original documents were writen in Spanish....so do a search "Arquitectura naval Espanola"........and you will find the weigh and measurements.
Translation Spanish to English.....Tons = toneladas, long = largo, wide = ancho and feet = pies

So if you ask me..... you are lookin for a ballast pile anywere from 60 to 100 feet....

All the best,

Chagy.......

 

[SEAHUNTER]

Thanks Chagy
I seem to be coming to the same conclusion. And I am assuming twenty five to thirty five feet wide and four to eight feet high.
Seahunter

 

[ScubaFinder]

I'd sure like to know what you're on to here Scott In the last few days you've asked about ballast pile sizes, number of souls on board, cannons, and ship sizes. When are you going to tell us what you've found

Jason

 

[SEAHUNTER]

VERSO . Characteristics : bronze or iron construction , breechloading : The top half of the barrel to about one foot forward of the breech is cut away and the gun was loaded by pushing forward the shot and powder into the barrel through this opening , then wedging in place a cork shaped removable iron breechblock . the swivel mounting was either on trunnionsor bearings fitting into holeson the barrels sides in place of trunnions . Lenght 4-6 feet , vent field diameter about 6 inches ( measured forward of the cut-away breech section ) , chase diameter about 4 inches , bore diameter 1 1/2 - 2 inches , firedan iron ball of 1/2 - 1 pound . These guns were carried on all early caravels and nao's. An early ordonance stipulated that a 200 ton nao carry 18 verso's and a larger ship at least 24 . Period 1480 - 1600 . Nationality most likely Spanish . Cornelius

Hello Cornelius
Yes I did have a question about the verso and I believe your answer was excelllent as always. Thank You.
Seahunter

 

[SEAHUNTER]

Hello Jason
Wish your hunches were right.
However I am simply trying to formulate an image in my mind of the target which I am pursuing.
I am waiting till you get here to find the ballast pile.
I have a picture starting to form of where to look and what to look for.
All in due time.
Seahunter

 

[Chagy]

More

Tonnage leght of keel width of beam
100 tons 52 feet 19 feet
200 66 24
300 76 27
400 84 30
500 92 33

"New World Shipwrecks" 1492-1825 by R. Marx page 130

 

[cooper42]

I found this chart online from http://www.shipwreckregistry.com/index7.htm. I see that it's the same as Chagy's info, but includes larger ships and their drafts.


A Guide to Ship Dimensions 1500 to 1820


Tonnage Length Beam Draft
100 52ft 19ft 7.5ft
200 66 24 9.5
300 76 27 10.5
400 84 30 12
500 92 33 13
600 98 35 14
700 102 37 15
800 104 37.5 15
900 107 38 15.25
1000 109 39 15.33
1100 110 40 15.5
1500 120 44 16
2000 152 60 18