Metal detectorist finds rare treasures under sands

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Updated: 12:01 a.m. Saturday, Jan. 14, 2012 | Posted: 12:00 a.m. Saturday, Jan. 14, 2012
Metal detectorist finds rare treasures under sands

By SHELDON GARDNER
The Associated Press

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — Bob Spratley has a lot of secrets.

He knows where to find 20 shipwrecks around St. Augustine, he can find gold and silver buried beneath the sands of local beaches, and he discovered one of the sites of the nation's most notorious slaughters.

"He found the Matanzas site, the massacre site," said John Powell, living history interpreter at the Fountain of Youth. "Bob is beyond a metal detectorist. Bob is touched by God."

Spratley has been hunting with a metal detector for 41 years. Research, skill and maybe a little luck have led him to shipwrecks, Spanish outposts and historical sites that archaeologists wish they knew about.

His collection contains thousands of relics, and the walls of his home read like a museum: 16th century Spanish and French gold coins and weapons, buttons and buckles, crosses and amulets, cannons and guns.

"It gets in your blood, and once it gets in your blood, you're a victim," he said, a Spanish silver piece of eight worth $35,000 hanging from his neck. "If you want a collection like this, you dig everything."

Spratley protects his collection with coded log books of his finds and shares information only with trusted sources. He doesn't tell archaeologists where he finds things because, as he says, he doesn't want the sites to be roped off, he doesn't want the history he uncovers to be put on a shelf. Archaeologists and treasure hunters don't work well together, he says, because archaeologists see treasure hunters as a danger to historical preservation.

For Spratley, finding treasure is not the only goal. Hunting down the secrets of history is a passion that runs parallel to metal detecting.

His hobby has led him all over the country to go detecting and into his home office for countless hours of research and study.

About 20 years ago, Spratley began researching the Matanzas site where, in 1565, Pedro Menéndez de Aviles slaughtered hundreds of Frenchmen under Jean Ribault somewhere near the site of where Fort Matanzas stands today.

The hundreds of French who died on those beaches left behind coins, buckles, and weapons. They left their stories in the sand.

Hundreds of years later, metal detector in hand, Spratley began to uncover what he believes is the site of the slaughter. It took about 15 years for him to find the site, he said.

History books say that Ribault's men were slaughtered near the Matanzas inlet, that's why the name means place of slaughters. Spratley says he thinks he has found the exact location of the massacre.

"That's why I say it took place here. You find weapons," he said as he held a Spanish crossbow bolt from the 1500s on a local beach, what he says is the massacre site, just after dawn.

Spratley made clear that the location of this dig, like the other sites, is to be kept a secret.

A nor'easter had blown through and sifted treasures closer to the surface a couple of weeks before the hunt. After a quick briefing from Spratley, a select group of his friends and acquaintances scoured the coastline, speckling a stretch of sand with scoop holes. Within 30 minutes, treasure surfaced.
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Touching history

Butch Holcombe is the editor and publisher of American Digger magazine, a magazine for relic hunters and metal detecting enthusiasts. He came from Georgia for the hunt, and he got lucky.

"Holding hands with history," Holcombe exclaimed as he held a freshly unearthed, possibly 16th century Spanish buckle in his hands. Holcombe is used to hunting in Georgia for Civil War relics, he said. Finding anything from the 19th century is exciting. But this, this is from the 1500s.

"I love holding something that old," he said, staring at the buckle in his palm. "Touch of Spain, wow."

Quickly, the hunt continued. Headphones went back on, legs lurched forward and detectors swayed from side to side. There were more discoveries, and, as with most hunts, there were some duds mixed in with the sand.

"Bob, what's this?" Jerry Solomon from Dallas, Ga., asked as he held up a sand-coated object.

"It's a penny," Spratley said after a glance.
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'Amazing' finds

Spratley acts as historical interpreter for most of the finds on the beach, but he sometimes seeks out help from other sources, archaeologists, professors, and antiquity experts. One source is John Powell, living history interpreter at the Fountain of Youth. He is a archaeological conservationist and military weapons expert of the Spanish period.

Powell spent some time flipping through pictures of Spratley's finds in a parking lot near St. George Street. He identified the relics in the pictures almost immediately.

"I've avoided digging for myself," Powell said, dressed in colonial Spanish garb as he leaned on the trunk of a car one afternoon.

Powell has worked in antiquity since he was 8 years old, he said. He metal detects, but uses his expertise to help Carl Halbirt on some digs. He avoids treasure hunting to preserve his relationship with the archaeological community, but also helps Spratley.

"I know Bob very well. I help him to identify what he finds," he said. "He comes up with things that are absolutely amazing."

In addition to the Matanzas site, Spratley has found Spanish campsites, he said.

Powell's interest in the finds are reproduction — having molds made from historical finds like jewelry that can be recreated and worn by himself and other historical re-enactors.

Later on during the hunt at the Matanzas site, Spratley shouted. He had made the find of the day.

He nudged back a layer of sand to reveal a bronze Caravaca cross, probably 16th or 17th century.

Typically carried by monks or priests for religious purposes, the cross was named after the southeastern Spanish town of Caravaca de la Cruz and has been associated with miracles, he said. People other than monks or priests used the Caravaca cross for good luck and protection. Finds like the cross are what add an element of controversy to treasure hunting. This isn't someone's lost Rolex. This is a historical relic.
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Not stealing history

"People frown upon us because they think we're stealing history," Spratley said. "We're not. We're displaying, showing people."

Spratley said he loves to share the treasures he unearths, but on his own terms. In particular, he likes to share history with children. He has been to local schools, including Middleburg High School, where he displayed a conquistador helmet, signal cannon, olive jars and other relics.

The goal is to let kids hold history and get inspired by it, he said. "I let the kids hold it, even though it's priceless," he said about the relics. "That's the future of history is the kids that are in school today...If just one goes on to study history, it tickles me to death."

Spratley doesn't sell anything of historical value, he said. He sells lost rings, watches and other jewelry to support his hobby, which he took up full time after retiring as a real estate broker in 2004.

Spratley has collected a trove of secrets after 41 years of metal detecting, and a storeroom full of treasure that he worries about how to preserve now and after he's gone. After coming back from Vietnam, detecting was a way to get back into society and deal with anxiety. Treasure hunting has been a hobby, a passion and a pain reliever throughout the past four decades.

After Spratley found the Caravaca cross on the beach that day, he put his detector down for a while. He wanted to give the others a chance to dig up something big. It's not all about the treasure, he said. For Spratley, the relic hunter, the most valuable thing he's found is intangible.

"Freedom," he said, "to be able to do what I want and share it with people."


http://www.wdbo.com/ap/ap/florida/metal-detectorist-finds-rare-treasures-under-sands/nGMpM/
 

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Excelente mi amigo Alexandre. ***** Te saludo. That is about as impartial a report as can be found, a + for both sides of the situation. An excellent example of how cooperation is / can be beneficial for both.

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proud to call Bob --a good freind and member of the metal detecting club --of which I am the current president / historian -- Bob is indeed one of a kind , no doubt about it. -- Ivan.
 

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Hope they keep the area a secret forever. If the archaeologists find it - it will be over. New laws will be made, and they may impact the entire state of Florida.
Keep it a secret, and keep the cronies out.
 

ivan salis

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Bob of all people knows how the "game' is played -- both state and fed archies wish they knew half of what he knows -- but since they do not play nice ( you let them know anything and slam next thing you know the area is "shut down and off limits" to anyone but archies )-- because of this many highly knowledgible folks will tell them zippo -- too bad for the archies .
 

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I read the article in Digger contributed by Jimmy and Robann Koenig. They definitely are on the trail with Bob and have found some very SERIOUS evidence. Hope to have them contribute to the forthcoming book we are working on with Bob Baer, Gaetan Algoet, and Buddy Martin. If you can get to the article in Digger, read it. Spectacular finds in view of the alleged history we can glean so far.

Here's the link to the actual online newspaper story: http://staugustine.com/news/local-n...ds-rare-treasures-under-sands-st-johns-county

Here's the link to the Digger article... goto page 73 in the online edition. : http://issuu.com/americandigger/docs/2011__sampler
 

ivan salis

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jimmy and his wife robann are also members of the metal detecting group of which I am currently the president of * --jimmy is also a good freind of mine . -- we got a pretty interesting group at our "club"

bob is in a class by himself (obie wan) and jimmy & robann are quite good as well. ( jr jedi ) :thumbsup:

bob has won "metal detectorist" of the year 3 years running at the club -- (2011,2010,2009) -- I won it in 2008 * not a easy task -given the quality of good treasure hunters in the club ( ps bob sat out 2008 ) which is why I got a chance to win in 2008 .
 

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Alexandre, I want to thank you for starting this topic. I found the contents of the links to be very interesting and informative. Terry, I hope you can get this guy to consent to hqving a book written about the artifacts that he has found. I would really like to see pictures of his finds.
Ivan, next time you see Bob, tell him that I wish him continued luck in the future :icon_pirat:

It's refreshing to read posts on a thread like this, much better then some of the posts with all the infighting and Drama. :icon_sunny:
 

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With all those tiny magnetic real time GPS tracking devices on the net for cheap,the secret wont be a secret much longer.Anyone can buy them now.Check the underside frames of your cars/trucks before you go anywhere.Oh an take out the battery to your cell phone too.
 

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bob does that already --yes folks have tried to "gps" bug him already , as well as well as tailing / following him in vehicles --sad isn't it?
 

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I don't know this man but I wish I did
 

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Shiver me timbers! hello mateys -
I hate to say this but some of these reports are hogwash. Sprately
and company are lookin for a book deal and TV show. I go out every
day and there ain't no matanzas treasure on the beach. If they are gettin
anything is not from the beach. I mean who would believe that the
weapons, coins, and belongings of 200-300 frenchmen would still be
on the beach 450 years later. Storms, tides, dredging, and people
have long ago done away with those artifacts. I bet the spaniards and
the indians took whatever was left after the massacre. This is why no
archaologist bothers to look for this site because it ain't nothin left. You
may find a coin or small artifact scattered here and there but not more than
that. I hope Sprately and others are not going to places they shouldnt
because they will give us all a bad name.
 

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Where exactly would they be going that they should not be going. Just a "for instance", pray do tell?
 

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If you want to know the True History of the area, ask a Treasure Hunter!
 

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Yes i would like to see some french artifacts 1564 era--------spanish would not be as hard to find on the florida coast ,but to turn up french stuff would be key......Get him to post some of the artifacts Ivan!
 

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i 've seen some of the FRENCH ITEMS "in person" --bob is very careful about posting pictures and showing off his stuff to folks and for good reason * govt archie types you know , want to grab bobs things and go --mine,mine, mine since they can not find their own stuff , they will happily take yours (or at least try to *) saying you got them from places that are off limits --in a effort to force you to prove where you did get them at ( they were obtained at a legal location by the way) but they will put you over the "legal" barrel --either you tell them where you "legally" found the items to keep the goods --or they will say --you MUST have been in an ILLEGAL AREA --THUS WE ARE TAKING EVERYTHING * UNTIL YOU "PROVE" OTHERWIZE .--IE GIVE UP THE "LOCATION" WHERE YOU FOUND IT --WHICH WILL THEN BE TAKEN OVER BY THE GOVT / FED OR STATE AND POSTED AS "OFF LIMITS"

sadly this is typical standard operating policy with these types.

plus crooks are often looking to rip off valuible items from folks homes , so bob has a nice , secure place (not his home) where he keeps his goodies stashed safely .
 

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signumops - that is a question for Sprately. The timing of this
news article seems to coincide with the treasure hunter TV show coming
to St. Augustine. I hate for the city or state to ban metal detecting
on the beaches when most of the so called found artifacts are coming
from some other place. It is easy to create distraction by claiming everythin
is found at tha beach.
 

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bob's stuff is legally found on private land WITH PERMISSION * or on the beach between waterline and dunes foot (legally speaking - "the beach")

BOB is not going to screw up by hunting illegally , because there are way too many state and fed archie types who would love to catch him "screwing up" so they would have a "reason" to rip off his whole collection.

bob carefully records exactly when & where his finds come from in his record books * (just like a archie does)-- in a code only he knows --so even if you got "his books" they would be gibberish to you , because if he ever has to fight "city hall" for "legal" ownership of his finds --he knows he will have to have "records" of where and when he "obtained" his items to stop the archie whiners from crying -- you musta found the stuff "illegally" --sniff ,sniff because we didn't find it first. --boo hoo

if the man was doing anything illegal or wrong --do you think he would allow a newspaper reporter to go along with him to be a "witness" to it? ---- duh , i think not.

because crooks hide their actions -- and they sure as heck do not want "press coverage" of their actions.

bob was smart enough to make the reporters sign a "non discloser" saying they could tell no one of the locations he took them to to prevent his locations from being leaked out. -- if they tell a soul ,he can sue em.
 

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I don't know about that one. I've found stuff on a beach before and the govt. archeologist in charge just told me to bury it and specificly look for the certain things for their study. This I promptly did.
 

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