simple answer as to why the queens jewels havent been found at the known 1715 sites

[ivan salis]

simple answer as to why the queens jewels haven't been found at the known 1715 sites

its quite simple -- most if not all of them simply aren't there ---if one but reads the "spotswood letter" -- a letter written by alexander spotswood (govenor of virginia) who on oct 24th , 1715 wrote a letter to the british home sec. lord stanhope * at the bottom of the letter in a PS --spotwood spells out what the vessel wrecked in nassau sound florida was / is .-(by the way spotswood had excellent spying networks --he was the one who sicc'ed Lt maynard on blackbread by the way thru intelligence that spotswood gathered)- as per spotswood information he gathered -- it was a royal treasure and VIP recovery vessel . the salvaged goods and vips were loaded aboard the vessel at the 1715 fleet shipwrevk sites for a return trip directly back to spain * sadly for them it too sank in nassau sound .

its historically known that spotswood was in cahoots with the english silver pirates that raided the spanish * its my belief that his information source was one of those raiders and that they came upon the spanish shipwreck survivors of the barcalonga at nassau sound -the spanish survivors not knowing the fellows were pirates blabbed all about the vessel and the details about it * because they thought they were being "rescued" -- instead once the pirates found out that it was a "lost' treasure ship (the spanish "officals' had no clue as to what had happened to it -- the english pirates just "wiped out" any spanish survivors , which explains why the spanish do not have any records of it )--so now only the english silver raiding pirates knew of the treasure wrecks location -- once they got back to virginia, they told spotswood of the wrecks location --spotswood then wrote to stanhope hoping to get stanhope to ask the king for the "royal oakie -doakie" to loot the wreck site --being that the 11 year long war had just stopped spotswood did not want to act without a "royal ok" in case looting the wreck somehow started the war up again * (which if done without a royal ok , and it restarted the war - could cost him his head)

spotswoods letter goes into detail about the type of vessel it was (a barcalonga- similar to a galera )--a single masted vessel that can also be rowed with oars like a "galley" for extra speed or in case of slack winds .

it also tells where it was from -- sent from havana , cuba --(the govenor of cuba , casa torres most likely sent it right away as soon as he got word of the 1715 fleets wrecking)

it states what it was doing --sent to fetch up persons of distinction (vips) that were travelling with the 1715 fleet and plate * (treasure) from the the fleet

it also states that the vessel went down "about 40 miles " north of st augustine .

this clearly explains why the bulk of the royal treasures have not been found at the 1715 sites , because they simply aren't there -- because they are sitting on the bottom of nassau sound between amelia island and talbot island.

if you read my post tell me what you YOU THINK. after reading the " spotswood letter' for yourselves.

 

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[bigscoop]

Got a link to the Spotswood letter?

 

[Alexandre]

Got a link to the Spotswood letter?

October 24th, 1715
To Mister Secretary Stanhope

(...) Here is advice of a considerable Event in these parts that ye Spanish plate Fleet, richly laden, consisting of 11 sail, are, (except one,) Cast away in the Gulph of Florida to ye Southward of St. Augustine, and a Barcalongo, sent from the Havanna to fetch off from the continent some Passengers of distinction who were in ye Fleet, having recovered from ye Wrecks a considerable quantity of plate, is likewise cast away about 40 Miles to ye Northward of St. Augustine. I think it my duty to inform his Majestie of this Accident, which may be improved to the Advantage of his Majestie´s Subjects if encouragement be given to attempt ye recovery of some of that Imense Treasury.


in "The official letters of Alexander Spotswood, lieutenant-governor of the colony of Virginia, 1710-1722, now first printed from the manuscript in the collections of the Virginia historical society", printed in 1882.

 

[Jones Indiana]

The Queen’s Jewels will eventually be discovered, but only when the ship, sands,
and sea that have been guarding them through the centuries,
choose to relinquish them to a worthy soul:

Indy

P.S.

Any possible scenarios could be at play

 

[bigscoop]

Got a link to the Spotswood letter?

October 24th, 1715
To Mister Secretary Stanhope

(...) Here is advice of a considerable Event in these parts that ye Spanish plate Fleet, richly laden, consisting of 11 sail, are, (except one,) Cast away in the Gulph of Florida to ye Southward of St. Augustine, and a Barcalongo, sent from the Havanna to fetch off from the continent some Passengers of distinction who were in ye Fleet, having recovered from ye Wrecks a considerable quantity of plate, is likewise cast away about 40 Miles to ye Northward of St. Augustine. I think it my duty to inform his Majestie of this Accident, which may be improved to the Advantage of his Majestie´s Subjects if encouragement be given to attempt ye recovery of some of that Imense Treasury.


in "The official letters of Alexander Spotswood, lieutenant-governor of the colony of Virginia, 1710-1722, now first printed from the manuscript in the collections of the Virginia historical society", printed in 1882.

Thanks Alexandre, this era of history has always interested me the most. Absolutely a fascinating period of world exploration and discovery.

 

[ivan salis]

the map of that you show shows the english version* of where the florida (spanish) / georgia (no mans land ) "state line' was--- south carolina was clearly english * but both the english and spanish had "overlapping' land claims as far as where the "state lines where" - in a attempt to stop border disputes they made "georgia" into a sort of offical 'no mans land" / buffer zone at first -- but the scots that did not like working as farming "peons" for the english (scottish loyalist and others that were outlaws and folks running away so as to not be jailed in debtors prison soon filled the void of georgia -- in some ways it was sort of like a runaway penal colony.) -- over time the brits gained the upper hand and in 1763 , when the british took control of florida from spain in the "return of cuba for florida" exchange --the british govt finally set the FLA / GA border as being along the st marys river * this put both amelia island & talbot island clearly on the florida side of the map, once and for all.--and when spain regained florida after the american war was settled in 1783 it was this british demarked FLA / GA border line that america "claimed'

THE 1757 MITCHELL MAP SHOWS THE DIVIDING LINE AS BEING A LINE RUNNING WESTWARD FROM THE MOUTH OF THE ST JOHNS RIVER AT MAYPORT * (thus it favors englands land cliams --as its more southerly than what the spanish claim as the "border")

the spanish at one time claimed all the way as far north as the alamahama ? river in georiga as the state line

NOTE IN 1715 THE WAR HAD JUST SETTLED IN 1714 * AND ACCORDING TO THE TREATYS IN FORCE AT THE TIME --AMELIA ISLAND WAS CLEARLY "SPANISH TERRITORY" * -thus the letter from spotswood to stanhope asking for the kings royal "ok / backing " before stirring up any trouble by attempting a salvage op on the vessel.

 

[ivan salis]

they had just settled a 13 year long year war - 1701 - 1714 (the war of spanish seccsion) and the english king wanted a peroid of peace to rebuild the country's coffers -- plus he thought that they wouild gain control of florida from spain in the "near future' --they did but not until 1763 (48 years later * when everyone who in 1715 keow what that lil "x" on the "royal' maps -really meant - treasure wreck -rather than just a general ship wreck * -- had died off -- but when lord egmont in 1769 sent capt willaim fuller to amelia island to map out "the island and it surrounding waters --only 1 wreck was marked upon the nov of 1769 map --and it was in "nassau sound"