olive jar rim marking I.d. Help

[elle]

Here might be an answer for what you are finding at your historic site.
The “OMD” marked on one of your artifacts (in a previous photo) might have stood for
“Ordnance and Medical Department"--divisions of the military.

Laura

 

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[GatorBoy]

Very...interesting.....thanks alot. I think it must be a multicomponent site. I will close with this..... food water shelter.. basics right. intelligence would lead you to build your shelter buy a viable water source and let the food come to you

 

[GatorBoy]

take your phone off of french

 

[Darren in NC]

The OMD artifact stamp is too irregular to be very modern. The letters look Latin to me. I did some checking and came across another lead for you to have fun with. OMD possibly stands for Order of the Mother of God (Deo). Research Ordo Clericorum Regularium Matris Dei and see what you think. It's a very old order begun in 1574 and could very well be tied to the priests accompanying Spanish vessels.

See Clerks Regular of the Mother of God of Lucca, O.M.D. and note the website link there. Also see Wikipedia for "Piarists."

Enjoy!

EDIT - the link above says 1574 was the year of formation and Wiki says 1617 was the year of formation for the educational arm. More research should be done for accuracy. Even more - tying this to a stamp on a piece of lead would be needed for provenance.

 

[GatorBoy]

thank you very very much.. these items have sent me on a journey of research and learning unlike anything I have found in a long time. thank you so much for taking time

 

[GatorBoy]

I don't think I posted this yet.. found just feet from the olive jar rim. sure looks like ballast to me.







a couple more shards

 

[elle]

Thanks Darren because I learned so much from your post. How interesting to learn about Saint Joseph of Calasanz and this religious order that was founded in Rome. The members became known as the Piarists and educated poor children. I love reading about all these good works that went on…thank you again for looking that up.

In Chambers’s Encyclopaedia: Dictionary of Universal Knowledge for the People, by William Geddie, Vol. 7, London [etc.], W. and R. Chambers, 1874, page 524, it does explain this:

“In 1621, Gregory XV. approved the congregation as a religious order. The constitution of the order was several times modified by successive popes. . . . Its field of operations has, of course, been confined to European countries; and at present it can reckon communities in Italy, Austria, Spain, Hungary, and Poland.”

The United States Army of the South made its way into what is now, St. Lucie County, in 1838.
Dr. Jacob R. Motte was a military surgeon with the Regiment in Florida. One can read his old writings. The “OMD” would likely be from the mid-nineteenth century (not too modern).

 

[GatorBoy]

Ellle.. your reply to darren went to me. bill.. always learning

 

[GatorBoy]

while researching.. I just came across something I didn't realize could be traced. I have musket flint from the site that definitely is not british. could even be french material.

 

[Darren in NC]

AL, please post photos of the side and obverse side of the OMD seal. I have a theory I'd like to test. Thanks.

Elle, I agree that mid-nineteenth century isn't too modern. I assumed you meant more recently. Sorry about that. I always enjoy reading your posts.

 

[GatorBoy]

will do... let me know what you come up with

 

[GatorBoy]

oMD















is it just me... or does it look a lot like mexican assayer and mint mark sound on cobbs? threw the fork in because I found it inches from the o m d. its brass. no markings at all.

 

[GatorBoy]

The more I look at it it looks like the oM mint mark with assayer D. The o is always smaller

 

[BeachComber7]

Those are very nice finds!

 

[GatorBoy]

thanks.

 

[GatorBoy]

hi beachcomber... I haven't forgotten about you.. long day at work

 

[Chagy]

oMD- Assyer Diego de Godoy (who minted for Philip III through 1621, but worked from 1618 to 1634, thus continuing into the reign of Philip IV) What you have there is the lead seal of assyer Diego de Godoy I believe used on silver bars....

 

[Chagy]

Notice how the "O" is smaller like in the seal

 

[GatorBoy]

my thoughts exactly. pretty exciting. I've spent hours researching olive jar rims and markings. the style and the fact the marking is on the rim puts it in the first half off the 17th century.

 

[elle]

Bill, our friend TreasureGuide on his blog page already identified the seal back in March, 2012. You should have told us. I thought you wanted a 19th century
explanation since you posted all the white ware from the 1800s. But anyhow, I researched the rim for you and I will post now what I found.
Good job, Chagy! You are always brilliant!