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  1. #1

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    1715 cape canaveral wreck still puzzles me...

    Ok..I just want some ideas here...one of the "unfound" ships of the 1715 fleet that was said to sink off canaveral on the shoals.
    That doesnt make sense to me..three guys washed up on the beach of the cape...does anyone have accounts as to exactly how far they washed up north or south of the bite? I have surfed my entire life in hurricanes, after hurricanes, and before hurricanes...if those boys hit the outer shoals and sank, they would have washed up a really good far distance away from their wreck. Did they specifically say that is where they wrecked or?

    I havent looked at my research for a good 6-8 months due to graduating college and the hecticness that came about due to that..but thats just still fuzzy to me. Also, it seems they got WAY further north than the most northern wreck at sebastian. Sailing within sight like the rest, it seems it would be been further south then the cape. Also, why was no salvage camp established on the beach if they knew just where that wreck was?

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    Some wreckage /dunnage was also found near St Augustine, but it could have drifted for a long ways. I dont think unless someone actually found some coins with the right date, that anyone knows for sure there is a wreck there. Cape Canaveral was well known, and if someone washed in there, I cant see them floating for 20-30-40 miles when the wrecks were right near shore. Maybe there is a 1715 wreck there. There have been a few wrecks worked over at the cape and seashore, before it was off limits. I am sure there are wrecks in the shoals off the cape, it is just not going to happen at this time. Maybe if they keep downsizing NASA it may open up. But I am sure the military will take it over if that ever happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou8acracker2 View Post
    Ok..I just want some ideas here...one of the "unfound" ships of the 1715 fleet that was said to sink off canaveral on the shoals.
    That doesnt make sense to me..three guys washed up on the beach of the cape...does anyone have accounts as to exactly how far they washed up north or south of the bite? I have surfed my entire life in hurricanes, after hurricanes, and before hurricanes...if those boys hit the outer shoals and sank, they would have washed up a really good far distance away from their wreck. Did they specifically say that is where they wrecked or?

    I havent looked at my research for a good 6-8 months due to graduating college and the hecticness that came about due to that..but thats just still fuzzy to me. Also, it seems they got WAY further north than the most northern wreck at sebastian. Sailing within sight like the rest, it seems it would be been further south then the cape. Also, why was no salvage camp established on the beach if they knew just where that wreck was?
    Being a retired NASA employee - many shipwrecks are in the area. Many cobs/reales have been found on the beaches just by the naked eye. I have seen park rangers working the restricted beaches as well as the public beaches from the fence all the way past playalinda with detectors. Reports also exist of ships timbers sticking out of the dunes, along with several other ship parts being found (old stuff). Their is lots, and I mean lots of stuff to be found from the fence - south. Only employees can access these area's, and we were allowed to bring 2 other people with us (family/friends) back in the day. Need to get a permit to venture north of the nudist area today where other items have been found, but it is a hike. Also have to be out before sunset.
    I don't even know if NASA employee's are still able to detect their. Times are changing in a bad way. It's a shame.
    I honestly believe any AMERICAN should be able to use a metal detector on any beach in the entire U.S.A.

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    My understanding is that the wreck discovered by Rex Stocker and Heartland Treasure Quest a few years back off Melbourne Beach (Spessard Holland Park) may be the 1715 shipwreck that went down off Cape Canaveral. This location is about 27 miles south from the tip of the Cape. Shipwreck survivors could have very well floated this distance in just a few days time. I don't think the records are clear on where the survivors specifically landed as there were not any landmarks in the area (other than the cape itself and the "false cape" just a little north.

    This webpage for FRRG (they subcontracted on the wreck site) shows some of the items recovered: Florida Research and Recovery Group

    Regards, Tom

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    Several years ago a mako fishing boat with 3 people on it went missing on the west coast of florida down near naples.A few months later the boat with 1 dead body was found on the south shore of Cape Canaveral.So this should give you a idea how far wreckage can float and end up at the cape.
    Millions of dollars of Spanish treasure await those who would dare brave the eye of the hurricane.

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    November 2005 - MELBOURNE, FL - A flintlock pistol, a sword and a cannon possibly used by ancient mariners are making history teacher Tom Funk and his fellow ocean explorers eager for next year's diving season to arrive. They found the weapons in late August from a shipwreck about a half-mile off Melbourne Beach, north of the Sebastian Inlet, and plan to search the wreck more when diving conditions are at their best, usually about late May to October.
    Funk and his partners hope the wreck is from the famed 1715 Spanish Silver Plate Fleet. The fleet of 11 galleons set sail from Havana in 1715 laden with jewels, gold and silver, but ran into a hurricane along Florida's east coast. "Ten of the 11 ships were destroyed," said Funk, an archaeologist who teaches history at Satellite High School, in Satellite Beach. "Seven have more or less been found."
    The shipwreck sites include spots near Fort Pierce and Sebastian, and the ships' high-value cargo gave the Treasure Coast its name. For the past decade, Funk and his partners have been surveying, exploring and researching what might be another of the treasure ships, in 43 feet of water off Melbourne Beach.
    While exploring the wreck in late August, they found several artifacts that boosted their hopes. "Our artifact collection is pretty interesting," Funk said. "We have enough artifacts, I think, to show what period they belong to." There's the intact, silver-handled pistol and what appears to be a boarding sword, which has a curved blade and was known to be used by fighting mariners. The collection also includes some cannon balls, pewter plates and a stack of silver platters, which Funk said are beautifully embossed. "They look like a big turkey platter," he said. "We're sending (the collection) to a conservation lab for more study."
    In the meantime, Funk and his partners will work on renewing the salvaging permits they need from various state agencies, such as the state Division of Historical Resources. Permitted salvagers can end up owning items they find, but 20 percent of the value of found treasure goes to the state.
    The dive site worked by Funk's team stretches diagonally for perhaps a mile. The team includes members of Heartland Treasure Quest, from Georgia and Florida; Amelia Research Co., of Amelia Island; and Florida Research and Recovery, a group of investors primarily from Georgia.
    A principle of Heartland Treasure Quest is Sebastian resident Rex Stocker, who was a member of the Real Eight Co. The Real Eight Co. worked with the famed Mel Fisher's Treasure Salvors Inc. in the 1960s to recover millions of dollars worth of treasure from the 1715 Fleet shipwrecks.
    Taffi Fisher Abt, Fisher's daughter and the director of Mel Fisher's Treasure Museum in Sebastian, said she's interested to hear more about the items found by Funk and his partners. "It's quite possible this wreck is one of the 1715 Fleet," she said. "I have not seen any of these artifacts, and I haven't seen their log sheets, so I don't know for sure."

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    Off-topic but my son was in Funk's AP History class last year. He also owns an antique shop and very much into history. My son really enjoyed his class.

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    Tom that article is 7 years old. Has Funk gone back to the site since then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mad4wrecks View Post
    My understanding is that the wreck discovered by Rex Stocker and Heartland Treasure Quest a few years back off Melbourne Beach (Spessard Holland Park) may be the 1715 shipwreck that went down off Cape Canaveral. This location is about 27 miles south from the tip of the Cape. Shipwreck survivors could have very well floated this distance in just a few days time. I don't think the records are clear on where the survivors specifically landed as there were not any landmarks in the area (other than the cape itself and the "false cape" just a little north.

    This webpage for FRRG (they subcontracted on the wreck site) shows some of the items recovered: Florida Research and Recovery Group

    Regards, Tom
    from the FRRG web site: Florida Research and Recovery Group
    An interesting element in FRRG's operation is a unique antenna system, designed and developed by Larry Turbeville. This antenna system can distinguish between gold, iron. silver, emeralds and diamonds. Actually, almost anything!

    Interesting, no?

    Anyone else know anything about the detector? This seems like a huge breakthrough, if true.

    While I think it's technically possible to exploit the RF properties of crystals, I can't see how it can differentiate between diamonds and emeralds - or silica sand grains for that matter.
    "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." Friedrich Nietzsche

    "You ask where I live. I cannot tell you. I am a Voyageur, a Chicot, sir. I live everywhere. My grandfather was a voyageur; he died while on a voyage. My father was a voyageur; he died while on a voyage. I will also die while en route, and another Chicot will take my place. Such is our course of life."

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    The only thing we ever located in my time with FRRG was found with a magnetometer or metal detector. www.wreckoverysalvage.com/FRRG.html

    Tom

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    Same while I was with them. They did do a test with a silver bar borrowed from Taffy. Supposedly it was successful but I didn't go out for the test off of ST. Augustine. Found 1practice bomb and a NASA rocket down off of the cape. Lol
    Lots of encouragement from the owners.

    Tom, To mention the antenna frequencies will open a can of worms here. I made that mistake years ago.

    Diverlynn

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    FRRG was my first job in treasure hunting. Worked there for a few weeks back in 2006 and was present for another silver bar test using modern silver bars. Mad4Wrecks went in and found the bars after a lot of testing of the machine. I'm not one to judge, but what I witnessed of the tests was "inconclusive" and I think the captain and crew onboard would agree. Tom however, did prove that he can locate silver. :-)

    Here's a pic of me on the back deck holding the bars.

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